How to get accurate information and ways to get answers from docs?

Posted by stuckonu @stuckonu, Dec 29, 2019

Do doctors or specialist ever comment in/on connect?

If not I’m curious about getting specific/accurate information about a blood test and results that vary what seems like a significant amount in one month period of time.

I discovered here about Hyperparathyroidism which I had never heard of until someone here suggested that I read the article here on Mayo.

That said, it is almost a joke trying to get tested and to get straight answers about the condition as well as the tests. If I could record all that has occurred since I read the article and tried to be tested.

If nothing else I read in the article here that some or all of the blood work should be done fasting. None of my tests have been done fasting and the push back that I get just mentioning it is crazy. I thought that perhaps the reason why my blood work is all over the place is because each time it’s been taken has been late in the day. None of the doctors were interested in previous tests. The tests have been done 3 time in one month. PTH is always high but that test alone had one doc call it moderate and another calling it significant.
One doc said we want to know why it’s high, the endocrinologist did an ultrasound and reported to me that where there once was two nodules no there appears to be more but that an ultrasound can not determine if any of them are the gland or just benign masses. That said the hormone is high.
Even my Vit D has varied a lot in one month; going down while taking 50,000 a week.
Lastly no one who is listed including Mayo will talk over the phone unless I’m referred.
Does anyone know definitively if the test needs to be done fasting and is it possible to have radical swings in the chemistry they are looking at to determine a plan going forward.

@goldleaf

I understand what you are saying since I have heard the same thing from from a lot of people who feel this way. Yes doctors are only human and they make mistakes I know I have. Mistakes are things done by accident not on purpose and they are forgive able. I an accept that and move on. This is not the case here. This was on purpose and since this sort thing happened to thousands of people, it is unforgivable. Since you don’t know me other than these short emails, I have lived a life time of this sort of thing happening. I use to talk to a very good psychologist, who felt as you seem to until she heard what I have been thru in my life. We have ended that relationship after seeing and talking to her since 1996. She told me that she has a file draw filled with my stories of what people have done to me. She is still amazed that I am still alive. One of the odd things about ending up with Central Sensitization Syndrome and I also read about this while doing my research, is that people who are affiliated with this have had a history of crappy things done to them. I won’t bore you with that and it is too personal but I will relate something that is also rare to happen. I was award in a worker’s compensation case, a 100% compensation award. I use to work for one of the largest telephone companies in the U.S. I use to work in some very bad areas where there were a lot of gangs and violence and drugs. This company decided that it was OK to have us go there alone anytime day or night. I was in a lot of fights with the people there and witnessed the same things that only the police see but I got to enjoy that entertainment by myself. The police in those areas never showed up by themselves and they had guns. Out of the 25 other guys who use to work out of the same place where I was, 15 of them left do PTSD. No one will ever hear about it as this company has been very good at keeping what they quite. My lawyer told me after my case was settled that he was tired and disgusted with all the people that have come through his court with the same sort of complaint against that company. This happened just before my operation and my experiences with doctors and the healthcare system. I was compensated sort of in this matter but that didn’t last long since my case settled in 2002 and the worker compensation laws changed in California in 2005. I had to give up the good medical professionals I was seeing use only this new MP list that insurance companies now were aloud to use. They were really bad doctors. Maybe you can tell by this that I see the world differently than you. Again I have had a lifetime of this sort of thing happening. I am also human and have feelings like everyone else. In respect to going to someone for help medically and they do pretty much take the same attitude towards you and pull the same sort of things, it is really easy to recognize. As far as my attitude and outlook on life, well I still have my family who care about me and I have five grandchildren who I have fun with. I enjoy that and the time I have with them. And then there are the alone times and this is the hardest for me to deal with. I am in a lot of pain all the time, physically and mentally. Family can’t be with me 24 hour a day and I don’t expect that.. They have their own lives to live. I am older and that is a problem. I find those words from a song I heard a long time ago, “ I am a rock I am an island” which you might recognize are very true. I have become those words. Something to think about when dealing with people and giving advice on how they should feel. I don’t give advice on how to live your life or how to survive in this world. I am not a doctor or a psychologist.

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@goldleaf From the sounds of this you are dealing with all of the problems in the most positive way possible. I am truly sorry for all you have been through.
JK

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@contentandwell

@goldleaf From the sounds of this you are dealing with all of the problems in the most positive way possible. I am truly sorry for all you have been through.
JK

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I would be telling you a lie if you think this about me. The reality is I have no choice if I want to survive this. I also am aware of something that I have gathered from all the posts I have read here and my own experiences with Central Sensitization Syndrome. Stress and stressful situations cause health problems all by itself. One of the major problems with this syndrome is hypersensitivity to everything about the central nervous system. Since this in its self will do me in, and it does increase the pain I am in, I have to deal with it intelligently. For someone like me, with all the years of hate and anger built up in me along the way, it is nearly impossible now. I am making the effort anyway. I have found that I can no longer do that the same way other people can. I have tried all those avenues. The neurologist I see is a practicing Buddhist and an expert at meditation. We have had many heated discussions about this very good method of calming. I have also practiced this for many years myself. The reality is I can’t do this with the degree of pain and anger I have. So I have had to adapt to a different way. I would call it a mixture of everything I know. I am still working on that. I would like to make a suggestion and if you think this might help someone else use it. I look up to very few people. I have very little interest in heroes or what people would consider as heroes. There are so very few people that I know who I would consider good. If I would do that, the youngest of us, children, especially children with genetic illnesses, would be first on my list. We are adults with a lot of life’s experiences and they have none. Their only experiences are pain. They see things in black and white with no gray areas. We have a lot of those gray areas that influence are thoughts. I have 5 grandchildren, so I am use to the way they see an answer questions. If you want to see how to deal with pain talk to them. Go to a children’s hospital and see how they deal with that and their lives. You would get a very true full and realistic answer. I have had lots of conversations with my grandchildren and they have always said something that has humbled me. They are very wise. It is just a suggestion.

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@goldleaf

I would be telling you a lie if you think this about me. The reality is I have no choice if I want to survive this. I also am aware of something that I have gathered from all the posts I have read here and my own experiences with Central Sensitization Syndrome. Stress and stressful situations cause health problems all by itself. One of the major problems with this syndrome is hypersensitivity to everything about the central nervous system. Since this in its self will do me in, and it does increase the pain I am in, I have to deal with it intelligently. For someone like me, with all the years of hate and anger built up in me along the way, it is nearly impossible now. I am making the effort anyway. I have found that I can no longer do that the same way other people can. I have tried all those avenues. The neurologist I see is a practicing Buddhist and an expert at meditation. We have had many heated discussions about this very good method of calming. I have also practiced this for many years myself. The reality is I can’t do this with the degree of pain and anger I have. So I have had to adapt to a different way. I would call it a mixture of everything I know. I am still working on that. I would like to make a suggestion and if you think this might help someone else use it. I look up to very few people. I have very little interest in heroes or what people would consider as heroes. There are so very few people that I know who I would consider good. If I would do that, the youngest of us, children, especially children with genetic illnesses, would be first on my list. We are adults with a lot of life’s experiences and they have none. Their only experiences are pain. They see things in black and white with no gray areas. We have a lot of those gray areas that influence are thoughts. I have 5 grandchildren, so I am use to the way they see an answer questions. If you want to see how to deal with pain talk to them. Go to a children’s hospital and see how they deal with that and their lives. You would get a very true full and realistic answer. I have had lots of conversations with my grandchildren and they have always said something that has humbled me. They are very wise. It is just a suggestion.

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@goldleaf Children truly are remarkable, and inspirational. I am always amazed and impressed at how those who have horrible medical conditions can be so cheerful. We really can learn from them.
JK

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@gingerw

@stuckonu I don't believe there are any medical doctors who answer questions on here. One of the sites I have used in the past is https://labtestsonline.org/
If you look there, you might find answers to your questions. Do you know ahead of time when your tests might be pulled, so you can fast if needed? I have found that a dr might say fasting is not needed. And I usually will ask the phlebotomist if fasting is required for a particular test, or not.
Ginger

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Hi — my doctor also said that fasting is not necessary.

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@goldleaf

I would be telling you a lie if you think this about me. The reality is I have no choice if I want to survive this. I also am aware of something that I have gathered from all the posts I have read here and my own experiences with Central Sensitization Syndrome. Stress and stressful situations cause health problems all by itself. One of the major problems with this syndrome is hypersensitivity to everything about the central nervous system. Since this in its self will do me in, and it does increase the pain I am in, I have to deal with it intelligently. For someone like me, with all the years of hate and anger built up in me along the way, it is nearly impossible now. I am making the effort anyway. I have found that I can no longer do that the same way other people can. I have tried all those avenues. The neurologist I see is a practicing Buddhist and an expert at meditation. We have had many heated discussions about this very good method of calming. I have also practiced this for many years myself. The reality is I can’t do this with the degree of pain and anger I have. So I have had to adapt to a different way. I would call it a mixture of everything I know. I am still working on that. I would like to make a suggestion and if you think this might help someone else use it. I look up to very few people. I have very little interest in heroes or what people would consider as heroes. There are so very few people that I know who I would consider good. If I would do that, the youngest of us, children, especially children with genetic illnesses, would be first on my list. We are adults with a lot of life’s experiences and they have none. Their only experiences are pain. They see things in black and white with no gray areas. We have a lot of those gray areas that influence are thoughts. I have 5 grandchildren, so I am use to the way they see an answer questions. If you want to see how to deal with pain talk to them. Go to a children’s hospital and see how they deal with that and their lives. You would get a very true full and realistic answer. I have had lots of conversations with my grandchildren and they have always said something that has humbled me. They are very wise. It is just a suggestion.

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I don't know where to begin other than to say I feel the exact same way. Holding everything in and having anger that I can't let out. In the past two years I started seeing a therapist and she made a couple of suggestions. I don't know if you would agree with these suggestions but it helped with me. Doing meditation does not get anger out. Painting does not get anger out. But here in Texas where I'm from going to a shooting range helps getd the anger out. Don't ask me why cuz I don't know how the mind works. But doing something like that and or kickboxing and or doing something physical helps. But like I said that's my opinion and I know a lot of people did not agree with my opinion. It all depends on where your mind is. Some people shouldn't be doing those things. My husband is in a hundred percent pain everyday every night and he says the adrenaline rush is what helps make the pain go to the back of your mind. Even 4 hours after you're done. But he's Ex black ops so he likes shooting.

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@goldleaf

I understand what you are saying since I have heard the same thing from from a lot of people who feel this way. Yes doctors are only human and they make mistakes I know I have. Mistakes are things done by accident not on purpose and they are forgive able. I an accept that and move on. This is not the case here. This was on purpose and since this sort thing happened to thousands of people, it is unforgivable. Since you don’t know me other than these short emails, I have lived a life time of this sort of thing happening. I use to talk to a very good psychologist, who felt as you seem to until she heard what I have been thru in my life. We have ended that relationship after seeing and talking to her since 1996. She told me that she has a file draw filled with my stories of what people have done to me. She is still amazed that I am still alive. One of the odd things about ending up with Central Sensitization Syndrome and I also read about this while doing my research, is that people who are affiliated with this have had a history of crappy things done to them. I won’t bore you with that and it is too personal but I will relate something that is also rare to happen. I was award in a worker’s compensation case, a 100% compensation award. I use to work for one of the largest telephone companies in the U.S. I use to work in some very bad areas where there were a lot of gangs and violence and drugs. This company decided that it was OK to have us go there alone anytime day or night. I was in a lot of fights with the people there and witnessed the same things that only the police see but I got to enjoy that entertainment by myself. The police in those areas never showed up by themselves and they had guns. Out of the 25 other guys who use to work out of the same place where I was, 15 of them left do PTSD. No one will ever hear about it as this company has been very good at keeping what they quite. My lawyer told me after my case was settled that he was tired and disgusted with all the people that have come through his court with the same sort of complaint against that company. This happened just before my operation and my experiences with doctors and the healthcare system. I was compensated sort of in this matter but that didn’t last long since my case settled in 2002 and the worker compensation laws changed in California in 2005. I had to give up the good medical professionals I was seeing use only this new MP list that insurance companies now were aloud to use. They were really bad doctors. Maybe you can tell by this that I see the world differently than you. Again I have had a lifetime of this sort of thing happening. I am also human and have feelings like everyone else. In respect to going to someone for help medically and they do pretty much take the same attitude towards you and pull the same sort of things, it is really easy to recognize. As far as my attitude and outlook on life, well I still have my family who care about me and I have five grandchildren who I have fun with. I enjoy that and the time I have with them. And then there are the alone times and this is the hardest for me to deal with. I am in a lot of pain all the time, physically and mentally. Family can’t be with me 24 hour a day and I don’t expect that.. They have their own lives to live. I am older and that is a problem. I find those words from a song I heard a long time ago, “ I am a rock I am an island” which you might recognize are very true. I have become those words. Something to think about when dealing with people and giving advice on how they should feel. I don’t give advice on how to live your life or how to survive in this world. I am not a doctor or a psychologist.

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No you are not a doctor but u have honestly can see the world for what it is. A lot of Americans other than soldiers have not seen the world the way it actually is. So you're stories or what you're saying is very very insightful. Thank you for sharing that

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@veteranspouseinpain

No you are not a doctor but u have honestly can see the world for what it is. A lot of Americans other than soldiers have not seen the world the way it actually is. So you're stories or what you're saying is very very insightful. Thank you for sharing that

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I do understand the world as it is. I am not a veteran but in a sense I did go to war. The war zone was where I use to work. I was suppose to go to Vietnam, but the draft lottery came along at that time and I wasn’t called. All my friends from high school got drafted. Some came back some didn’t. The ones who came back didn’t make it either. They depended on the V.A. for help. What a sad joke. One of the main differences of my war zone was I didn’t have to leave the U.S. That is really weird. Maybe the other is I had no one watching my back. The only person I would compare that to was a friend who was a tunnel rat. In the end, he couldn’t stand anyone around him. He ended up moving to some out in the middle of no where to live. I agree that anger and hate and violence is not well understood by people who haven’t had in their lives. Yes I think going to a shooting range and blowing something up can be a good. I use to like that myself. I did get rid of mine for a good reason. They are to easy to use and take very little effort. Way to much temptation for someone like me. On my job, we weren’t suppose to have weapons. That was just a dumb idea. I had to go to those areas all by myself. I never saw a cop and never had one save me. They took on average about 1 1/2 hours just to show up to a crime scene and they would show up with 4 or 5 cars with 3 or for cops in each. They also had guns. I worked in those areas for 15 years before I went off on a supervisor. I won’t say anything more about that as it is over and done. I will tell you my youngest son has been in the Marines for the past 19 years. He is a gunny. I have listened to his stories as he has spent time in those wonderful places in the world where people hate our guts. In listening to him, he was in a different part of the world but the same things he experienced were the same as mine. I am 71 and I am not interested in fighting with anyone anymore. I can’t even if I wanted to. I am still the same inside and I hate the people who tried their best to kill me but they didn’t. For some reason I am still here. You or your husband may have heard this saying” What doesn’t kill you will make you stronger”. If you ask me , that is Hollywood bull*. In every fight I was in, I lost even if I won that fight. I have permanent scars mentality and physically from that crap. Something to think about.

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@goldleaf

I do understand the world as it is. I am not a veteran but in a sense I did go to war. The war zone was where I use to work. I was suppose to go to Vietnam, but the draft lottery came along at that time and I wasn’t called. All my friends from high school got drafted. Some came back some didn’t. The ones who came back didn’t make it either. They depended on the V.A. for help. What a sad joke. One of the main differences of my war zone was I didn’t have to leave the U.S. That is really weird. Maybe the other is I had no one watching my back. The only person I would compare that to was a friend who was a tunnel rat. In the end, he couldn’t stand anyone around him. He ended up moving to some out in the middle of no where to live. I agree that anger and hate and violence is not well understood by people who haven’t had in their lives. Yes I think going to a shooting range and blowing something up can be a good. I use to like that myself. I did get rid of mine for a good reason. They are to easy to use and take very little effort. Way to much temptation for someone like me. On my job, we weren’t suppose to have weapons. That was just a dumb idea. I had to go to those areas all by myself. I never saw a cop and never had one save me. They took on average about 1 1/2 hours just to show up to a crime scene and they would show up with 4 or 5 cars with 3 or for cops in each. They also had guns. I worked in those areas for 15 years before I went off on a supervisor. I won’t say anything more about that as it is over and done. I will tell you my youngest son has been in the Marines for the past 19 years. He is a gunny. I have listened to his stories as he has spent time in those wonderful places in the world where people hate our guts. In listening to him, he was in a different part of the world but the same things he experienced were the same as mine. I am 71 and I am not interested in fighting with anyone anymore. I can’t even if I wanted to. I am still the same inside and I hate the people who tried their best to kill me but they didn’t. For some reason I am still here. You or your husband may have heard this saying” What doesn’t kill you will make you stronger”. If you ask me , that is Hollywood bull*. In every fight I was in, I lost even if I won that fight. I have permanent scars mentality and physically from that crap. Something to think about.

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@goldleaf– WOW. I'm speechless and that's a big thing for me. I'm familiar with the armed forces as my husband and his son and others were in the service, and this goes way way back. Are you referring more to a war within yourself and people whom you became involved with or an actual "US service position?" My twin sister's daughter was murdered and no one was brought to justice. I know anger. How can I help you?

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@merpreb

@goldleaf– WOW. I'm speechless and that's a big thing for me. I'm familiar with the armed forces as my husband and his son and others were in the service, and this goes way way back. Are you referring more to a war within yourself and people whom you became involved with or an actual "US service position?" My twin sister's daughter was murdered and no one was brought to justice. I know anger. How can I help you?

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Thank you for your reply. You have an interesting take on what I wrote. I had a job working for a major telephone company. The areas where I mostly worked in were Watts, Compton and Paramount. Sometimes, if you watch the news, you will see some of the project buildings and where a crime happened. I use to see the crime happen first hand. The physical fights I had never made it to the TV. I didn’t get killed. I also never saw a police car when the fights use to take place. They don’t patrol those places ever. They just show long after they happen. Everyone in the garage I worked out of had those fights so I wasn’t the only one. Our union use to keep a log of all those incidents but never did anything to help us. The company I worked for took the I don’t know what you are talking about approach or this military approach of the needs of the service where this is your job just do it and stop complaining. There was one time when the company invited a couple of the police agencies, Sheriffs and the LAPD, to give us a lecture on how to deal with gangs. It was very dumb and way too late. I was working for them for 10 years already. When a couple of guys told these officers that we had to go there alone day or night, they looked at us in disbelief. That was when the supervisors shut that meeting down. I won’t tell you anything else as it brings back bad memories. War in myself, I like that idea. I will have to give this more time to roll that around in my head before I talk about that idea. I will get back to you.

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@goldleaf

Thank you for your reply. You have an interesting take on what I wrote. I had a job working for a major telephone company. The areas where I mostly worked in were Watts, Compton and Paramount. Sometimes, if you watch the news, you will see some of the project buildings and where a crime happened. I use to see the crime happen first hand. The physical fights I had never made it to the TV. I didn’t get killed. I also never saw a police car when the fights use to take place. They don’t patrol those places ever. They just show long after they happen. Everyone in the garage I worked out of had those fights so I wasn’t the only one. Our union use to keep a log of all those incidents but never did anything to help us. The company I worked for took the I don’t know what you are talking about approach or this military approach of the needs of the service where this is your job just do it and stop complaining. There was one time when the company invited a couple of the police agencies, Sheriffs and the LAPD, to give us a lecture on how to deal with gangs. It was very dumb and way too late. I was working for them for 10 years already. When a couple of guys told these officers that we had to go there alone day or night, they looked at us in disbelief. That was when the supervisors shut that meeting down. I won’t tell you anything else as it brings back bad memories. War in myself, I like that idea. I will have to give this more time to roll that around in my head before I talk about that idea. I will get back to you.

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@goldleaf– I hope that I didn't completely misunderstand you! It was hard to tell if you were an undercover agent of some sort or something that kept going over and over in your mind. Witnessing fights and killings on the streets surely make you feel threatened and has to be so scary. You must have always been looking over your shoulders! That must have been terrible without the it all being complicated by being denied it's reality and support by the powers that be. You sound as if you are still very effected by it. Can I help in anyway?

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@merpreb

@goldleaf– I hope that I didn't completely misunderstand you! It was hard to tell if you were an undercover agent of some sort or something that kept going over and over in your mind. Witnessing fights and killings on the streets surely make you feel threatened and has to be so scary. You must have always been looking over your shoulders! That must have been terrible without the it all being complicated by being denied it's reality and support by the powers that be. You sound as if you are still very effected by it. Can I help in anyway?

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The result of all those years end with me going off on a supervisor at work. He made the mistake of not letting me walk away from some dumb thing he just told me. In brief, I had trashed my knee while climbing a pole. I had to have surgery to sort of repair the damage. It took me about 8 months before I could return to work. In the mean time I had filed a worker’s compensation claim to make sure I would have future medical care for it. This company didn’t like that. When I returned to work, that case had settled and the company sent me to a place where they had a custom made brace made for me so I could still do my job safely. They didn’t like that either. There were additional things that they agreed to thru my lawyer that they were suppose to do for me. They went back on that agreement. There way of “ punishing me”, was by leaving me all day or night in those areas I told you about. I had several job titles during my employment there. At that time, I worked cable maintenance. Fixing damage caused by bullet holes mostly. It required a lot of time in one place. I had to deal with a new problem, everyone could see this brace and there would be no running away from trouble. So now I had to deal with this company’s crap and the gangs in that area. Fun times. One of the things that I was told by my lawyer was anything to do with this injury was to happen on company time,it was company business. No exceptions. Well needless to say this one dumb ass supervisor decided he didn’t have to do that. For no reason he decided I needed to go to a doctor of his choosing and wanted me to on my day off. I said that wasn’t going to happen and turned a walked away. Dumb ass grabbed me from behind. What happened next was from all the fights I had been in. I through him on the floor and had a knife at his neck. The only thing that saved him was the guys who were still around me. The company then sent me to a psychologist that day and I never went back to work. I had called my lawyer and the result of a 3 year long additional workers compensation case, which ended in me receiving an life time award of 100% compensation award. Since there was more to this than I will go into and there were more people involved in this company that also received awards from this kind of behavior it would take too long to explain. About a year ago while out walking my dog, I ran into this guy who had a shirt with this companies logo on it. So we started to have a conversation and he told me that for awhile he worked out of that garage. He told me that this company had made a complete reversal on its policies in this area. Now one goes there alone. Two or three guys at one time and everyone stays there until the job is done. You only go there in the morning and leave by 12:00 noon. Too bad it took people being hurt and nearly killed for that to happen. It seems it takes that for any powers to be, to make that to happen. I appreciate the offer of help. I saw a very good therapist for years. If you have the time look up Central Sensitization Syndrome. I had an operation about 5 years into therapy that caused permanent nerve damage. There were a series of problems that stemmed from that surgery and those things snowballed into this medical problem. The reality is no one can help me now. I am stuck with a mountain on top of me with no way out. No cures and no treatment that help. I am told this happens rarely but so what.

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@goldleaf

The result of all those years end with me going off on a supervisor at work. He made the mistake of not letting me walk away from some dumb thing he just told me. In brief, I had trashed my knee while climbing a pole. I had to have surgery to sort of repair the damage. It took me about 8 months before I could return to work. In the mean time I had filed a worker’s compensation claim to make sure I would have future medical care for it. This company didn’t like that. When I returned to work, that case had settled and the company sent me to a place where they had a custom made brace made for me so I could still do my job safely. They didn’t like that either. There were additional things that they agreed to thru my lawyer that they were suppose to do for me. They went back on that agreement. There way of “ punishing me”, was by leaving me all day or night in those areas I told you about. I had several job titles during my employment there. At that time, I worked cable maintenance. Fixing damage caused by bullet holes mostly. It required a lot of time in one place. I had to deal with a new problem, everyone could see this brace and there would be no running away from trouble. So now I had to deal with this company’s crap and the gangs in that area. Fun times. One of the things that I was told by my lawyer was anything to do with this injury was to happen on company time,it was company business. No exceptions. Well needless to say this one dumb ass supervisor decided he didn’t have to do that. For no reason he decided I needed to go to a doctor of his choosing and wanted me to on my day off. I said that wasn’t going to happen and turned a walked away. Dumb ass grabbed me from behind. What happened next was from all the fights I had been in. I through him on the floor and had a knife at his neck. The only thing that saved him was the guys who were still around me. The company then sent me to a psychologist that day and I never went back to work. I had called my lawyer and the result of a 3 year long additional workers compensation case, which ended in me receiving an life time award of 100% compensation award. Since there was more to this than I will go into and there were more people involved in this company that also received awards from this kind of behavior it would take too long to explain. About a year ago while out walking my dog, I ran into this guy who had a shirt with this companies logo on it. So we started to have a conversation and he told me that for awhile he worked out of that garage. He told me that this company had made a complete reversal on its policies in this area. Now one goes there alone. Two or three guys at one time and everyone stays there until the job is done. You only go there in the morning and leave by 12:00 noon. Too bad it took people being hurt and nearly killed for that to happen. It seems it takes that for any powers to be, to make that to happen. I appreciate the offer of help. I saw a very good therapist for years. If you have the time look up Central Sensitization Syndrome. I had an operation about 5 years into therapy that caused permanent nerve damage. There were a series of problems that stemmed from that surgery and those things snowballed into this medical problem. The reality is no one can help me now. I am stuck with a mountain on top of me with no way out. No cures and no treatment that help. I am told this happens rarely but so what.

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@goldleaf– You must feel very abandoned and I can't imagine the anger that you feel. What are you doing to help yourself now? Are you mobile? Do you have family or friends to help you?

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