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Anxiety and depersonalization disorder

Posted by @roni4 in Mental Health, Nov 23, 2011

Does any one suffer from a depersonalization disorder or have been cured from it? I have dealt with anxiety and panic attacks for most of my life I don't take meds because I am afraid of them and just recently I had a bad panic attack in class and it turned into depersonalization disorder and I felt like I was losing my mind and had no idea what was going on until I read about it online. Can anyone help me out or anyone want to share there stories?

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kensho

Posted by @kensho, Dec 1, 2011

i suffered with schizoaffective disorder for eight years... one of the components of that disorder was severe anxiety... depersonalization/derealization/dissociation are components of anxiety, i experienced them all... mild anxiety states can bring on depersonalization... they say that anxiety is a psychological condition that can manifest physical symptoms but i discovered that ALL mental illness is a physical condition that manifests mental illness... i have been completely healed by two doctors who practice orthomolecular medicine... mainstream medicine has called it quack science for the past thirty years but orthomolecular medicine continued to heal people during that entire time... it's complicated but i'll try to summarize the best i can...

there are a number of reasons behind the onset of all mental illness but the primary one's are nutritional deficiencies and allergies... if someones allergic to something they might get a runny or congested nose, another might develop muscle aches and pains, another might develop skin rashes, another might develop anxiety... allergies are an inflammation process, in someone with anxiety the inflammation occurs in the brain as opposed to the skin or muscles... we are genetically predisposed and depending on our genes that will determine how allergies manifest themselves...

the standard IgE allergy panel has problems... one, it was created in the 1930's... two, the test can produce a false positive result as well as a false NEGATIVE result, i know this because i tested negative when i was actually positive... three, IgE tests for one marker, there are over one million... progressive MD's are now testing IgG and sometimes IgA panels... the problem is some insurance companies won't pay for IgG and IgA... the out of pocket expense for these tests run between $300.00 to $400.00 dollars each plus doctors expenses... before going through those expenses i want you to try something first...

try to eliminate all dairy, all wheat/gluten, caffeine, all sugar and as much processed foods out of your diet as possible... if you can't or are having trouble with eliminating the processed foods make damn sure you eliminate the ones that contain any sugar or wheat... these foods have been tied to just about every illness known to man because they can cause reactions in people... these reactions are inflammation... inflammation is the initial stage of all illness... i'm being very serious now... inflammation eventually leads to cellular dysfunction and once the cells mitochondria is altered it can be all down hill from there... again, the process, due to genetic predisposition one person might develop diabetes, another might develop multiple sclerosis, another might develop cancer in whatever form they're genetically predisposed to or someone might develop mental illness... it's a game man... during the eight years i was down i did a lot reading during that time and i discovered a lot of this was well known by researchers... why they didn't apply this knowledge, only God knows but orthomolecular medicine knew, and they applied it...

in place of milk you can use rice milk, once you start seeing significant improvements you can add soy milk and almond milk one at a time, soy and nuts are known allergens so it's important to test them separately... start with one to see if you're allergic to it for at least three weeks... if you start to see symptoms stop using it, if no symptoms appear try the next one and follow the same procedure, this will give you some variety in what you can drink... they're all delicious, you'll love them... you can buy wheat free whole grain breads at a good health food store... avoid salami and pepperoni... eat mixed fruits and vegetables, especially fruits... don't waste your time on lettuce, use spinach in its place... green leafies are awesome for detox/mental illness... use onions and garlic as often as possible and eat one lemon everyday, it's kick ass good for everyone, very powerful, underestimated fruit... if you eat fish, eat only salmon and do your best to get wild salmon because most salmon found in supermarkets is farm raised and that is another story for some other day... in place of caffeine drinks use herbal teas... a good one to use is valerian tea, it's kind of bitter so sweeten it with honey... drink it in the evenings or whenever anxiety is an issue... my other favorites are jasmine and mint, but you pick what you like of course... drink plenty of water, it's important, your goal is to get well and your going to be going through a detox process... you're probably going to feel bad at some points during the first two weeks so hang in there,that's just going to be your body going through withdrawals and it pass and when it does, you're going to begin to feel kick ass and as time passes you'll feel better and better

consider using supplements... 2 b complex capsules twice a day, in the morning and an hour before dinner, vitamin c capsules 1000mg 1 three times a day, mineral capsules 4 once a day in the am, fish oil capsule 1 in the am and one before dinner, omega3 fatty acids 1 in am, vitamin d 1000IU's 1 in am....

once this diet kicks in you'll be able to reduce some amounts to maintenance levels....

exercise is critical... you need to exercise everyday at first, aerobic exercise, once it kicks in you can reduce the amount if you want but i'd suggest you do it everyday, i do i run three miles every morning... running is aerobic exercise...

there's something called the linden method that has been used in great britain and germany and it's very well received... it's an anxiety method that comes with a full year money guarantee... they have trained psychologists to answer all your questions should you have any... i've never used it myself but i have communicated with three people who did and they all swear by it... anxiety is all in that head of yours because your body is on hyper alert... we need to calm you down... if you can't afford the money, a friend of mine told me yesterday you can find a complete free version on piratebay... of course this is software theft but i won't say anything if you really can't afford the program on your own

next time i log on i'll post one of my depersonalization experiences for you... during the past eight years i've kept 23 notebooks of all my ideas and experiences... my sister is a literature professor and she read some of my notebooks recently and going to help my write a book that will include my experiences and my recovery including how i did it... hopefully it'll be a best seller so i can spread the word about the myth of mental illness...

PeaCe2U

Kensho

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vanessa1

Posted by @vanessa1, Jan 27, 2012

I am struggling with this majorly right now. I experienced it in high school (which was about 15 yrs ago) but had no idea what it was. It is back in full force. It was brought on by current stress due to my divorce. I thought I was going crazy...and still think I might be. It has actually caused me to develop agoraphobia. I am getting to the point that I am afraid to leave the house because everything seems so unreal and I feel so detached from myself. I have not found anyone...doctors, counselors, etc. who will even address the issue. They just say...take anti-depressants...which from what I have researched in many cases makes it EXTREMELY worse. I am frustrated and afraid of losing my job due to it. I take fish oil, B12, folic acid and magnesium. I have been researching and grasping for anything to try. I would appreciate any feedback 🙂

kensho

Posted by @kensho, Jan 27, 2012

try the linden method for the depersonalization. it's 100% money back guaranteed and they have psychologists and trained councilors to answer your questions regarding the application of the
program...

http://www.panic-anxiety.com/depersonalization-derealization/

they also have programs for Agoraphobia, i think, and they may in fact be the very same program but you'd be better off contacting them by email and asking questions

the chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia can be addressed too but you really need instructions from someone who knows what they're doing. go to the following website and look under the resource section find your country and select your province or state... try to find an MD so they can manage the meds your on... if there is no MD look for an ND or PhD... if there are no ND's or PhD's settle for a well trained nutritionist or chiropractor... if they are on the website they are saying they follow the protocols...

http://orthomolecular.org/

i'm sorry to hear this is effecting your life but i honestly believe this information should help you... i'll say a prayer to the great spirit that things all work out well for you...

PeaCe2U...

Kensho

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jan 28, 2012

Hi thank you for the great information that you are providing I have suffered with anxiety and depression throughout my life and I have found the information very helpful

kensho

Posted by @kensho, Jan 28, 2012

thanks... i'm everywhere on the net and am in the process of becoming an advocate for family members of those with serious mental illness because i've found it is damn near impossible for someone who is seriously mentally ill to apply the protocols on their own... it requires discipline which is something most normals lack let alone someone with bipolar or schizophrenia...

i remember seeing your name on Kk's wall... i have to be perfectly honest with you, this kind of really bothers me because who ever they are and i will never communicate ever again if i can help it... i have absolutely no respect what so ever for that member nor will i ever will... she was way too aggressive for someone who claimed they live in isolation... i believe they are a fraud and as much as i really appreciate your comment i'm going to keep my distance from you too... because i have to really question who could be a friend with someone as completely toxic as they are... if you need help, i'll do my best but we'll just leave it at that because you just may be Kk.... they seem like the type of person who would create their own internet friends... i'm really sorry about this... i hope you can understand...

Kensho

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jan 28, 2012

Hi I have also had many doubts about kk as well. I am very new to this and had no idea as to the situation with him it was only the othe night that I became very concerned, as to the comments he had made to other members and to me. I will be taking him off as friend and will have no further contact with him. To me as being new I had no idea that people like that would take advantage of peoples situations. I orginally went on to the Mayo clinic site because I have Factor 1v Leiden and many problems with dvt's and pe's. I also as I have mentioned to you have had anxiety ane depression isssues for a long time. I am a very genuine person. I actuallly am trained in teaching children with special needs and gifted. I did this for 7 years of my life. I am now a fully trained Aged Care Worker and with now work with people who have high care needs. Thanks agian for your time and I hope after me explaining that I will be able to contact you sometimes. I can assure you that I am not kk and was most upset by his reactions to you the other members and me. I will be removing him as a friend . Sorry if I have upset you in any way this was not my intnention.

kensho

Posted by @kensho, Jan 29, 2012

if you were next to me I'd give you a great big (((((HUG))))) i just saw you were friends with Kk and was a little concerned...

it's all good... i don't come here too often, it's only when i get a notice someone reached out to me ... if i can ever help you in any way feel =free to reach out to me... OK?

Kensho

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jan 29, 2012

Thanks and I would give u a big hug in return , will keep in touch as I am finding your knowledge very helpful. Take care.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jan 29, 2012

Hi sorry to bother you again but have lost my discussion page on my information where people can view and give comments any ideas as to how I lost it and can get it back please

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jan 29, 2012

Don't worry i've found it ., thanks again

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Feb 4, 2012

Hi just wondering if you could give me a little advice not sure if you can . I am on comaudin as you know and am having troubles with stabilizing the inr. I'.m not staying within the range. Was wondering whether you know or have heard of the comaudin diet, and if you have could you please let me know. Unfortunately when the blood goes up and down from week to week it is causing havoc with my anxiety issues. It's a really funny feeling when your blood levels are not remaining level. Thanks so much for your time and would appreciate any information if you could advise me.

roni4

Posted by @roni4, Jan 28, 2012

I recently just got out of the hospital (psych ward) and went to therapy classes they put me on vitamins fish oil vitamin d and multivitamin they also put me on zoloft latuda and xanax and I feel alot better then what I did I still have feelings of detachment but most of its gone away I also found out I have chiari 1 malformation which I hear can cause depression and depression and anxiety problems can cause Depersonalization I've been getting alot of help and reading about it. I refused to be on any meds but now that I'm on anti depressants and anti pyschotics I feel so much better and I'm glad my psychologist brought me to the hospital best thing I ever did

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kensho

Posted by @kensho, Jan 28, 2012

well let's hope that Vanessa trusts the information i put out there for her... i've already prayed to the great spirit on her behalf... she's going to be OK...


Kensho

Posted by Anonymous-be779618, Jan 28, 2012

Do you think you could have social anxiety disorder or avoidant personality disorder? There's some online tests at http://psymed.info and there are more specific forums online. See for example http://psychforums.com and read the list under all forums. There is one for depersonalization and agoraphobia, etc. I am avoidant, do not want medication, and do not like how they push it on people. It has helped me a lot to find out that there's other people I can relate to. Hang in there because divorces can be tough and it can be hard to re-establish your identity.

gomogo2000

Posted by @gomogo2000, Nov 18, 2014

Hi Kensho,
I am in full agreement with you about how to cure derealization/depersonalization. I have just 'celebrated' my 19 year anniversary of the onset, and have been researching how to cure it the last 5, but only really having success the last 2 finding the truth about nutrition and our bodies. I am a nutritionist (and reformed dietetic technician) who now completely understands how we need to eat a traditional clean diet and live a clean life (free of 80,000 chemicals) and exercise and be out in the sun and nature to let our body begin the job of repairing, by healing our broken guts/reducing inflammation in our 2 brains (gut and head). I am so on the cusp of healing after watching many wonderful functional and orthomolecular doctors and nutritionists on online summits that I have been ravenously watching the last 3 months. Now I know that I need to find a FMD/OM/ND/DO or DC who will do testing through Cyrex Labs for gluten/cross-reactive foods/gut permeability/blood brain barrier, etc. How I wish I could go to Dr. Perlmutter, but realistically I think I can find someone in my area.
After spending today doing my research, I have come across your post, and I am excited to read what you write about brain inflammation and autoimmunity. You just hit the nail on my head! (no pun intended) I suffered my whole life with anxiety/fear/depression/ADD/social anxiety/OCD, which lead to a partial psychotic breakdown in pregnancy, which eventually led to DR/DP 6 years later. Now at age 51 I am ready to be done suffering! Thank God for wonderful people (like you) who have been very generous with helpful information. I too now share with people on a daily basis (strangers usually) about the truth of nutrition and true "healthcare". And I love that you mention praying to the great spirit.
How are you doing today? Are you still on the internet trying to spread the truth about health? I really hope you have been working on your book as I think there is a HUGE need for it as the incidence of DR/DP continues to grow, especially among our youth. It's so sad, and I know there are ALOT of miserable people out there who have no place to turn to get real help. Thank God I never took much meds as they just made me feel worse. Now I know why...they are toxic chemicals that only mask symptoms...never heal! I hope you see this and reply. Thank you Kensho for all that you do! Maureen 8D

kk

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kensho

Posted by @kensho, Jan 28, 2012

i'm going to pray to the great spirit that they actually know what they are doing... i'm being serious here... now that we have imaging we can now diagnose chiari malformations much more freely now... awesome, brain stem surgery... did you express other symptoms besides depression because depression isn't a sign of this disorder. you'd have to be pretty seriously messed up for them to want to check for that condition at 120 year of age... how did you go so long without a diagnosis until now? and the medications they put you on, good god, and all of this because over experienced DR in class... you suffered severe anxiety and all of this.... Hmmmm.... if you are truly chemically depressed, specific vitamins and minerals along with high amounts of foods that contain tryptophan could help you a great deal without any drug toxicity. raise your serotonin naturally with the foods you eat...

WOW...

Kensho

roni4

Posted by @roni4, Jan 28, 2012

When I ended up in the hospital I told them to give me an MRI because I was starting to think I had tumors in my brain since I was feeling really weird. Otherwise I've suffered with migraines all my life and have scoliosis. So when they did an MRI they came across the chiari malformation and they said if this would have gone unnoticed for 10 or so years I would be paralyzed or dead.

kensho

Posted by @kensho, Jan 28, 2012

well i'm very glad you got intervention... i just hope you do well on the medication you're on. i've had horrible experiences with them and i know literally hundreds more who have also... and there are so many different ways to elevate serotonin safely...

here's a video...


use a high quality b vitamin mineral supplement and add the vitamins and mineral supplements the doctor describes in the video... use high quality tryptophan in capsule form 1 gram should be enough or eat foods high in tryptophan... here's a list of foods and the amount of tryptophan they contain...

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=103


READ ALL OF MY WALL OF TEXT TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER... AVOID WHAT I ADVISED TO AVOID AND SERIOUSLY CONSIDER USING WHAT I SUGGESTED.......

Kensho

Posted by Anonymous-be779618, Jan 28, 2012

I placed my comment under Vanessa but I assume you will see it as well and see if the info on forums, etc. helps any. I had previously been unaware of online forums and was glad when I found one where I could relate.

vcarocks

Posted by @vcarocks, Jun 10, 2013

I smoked marijuana two days ago and now I feel like I'm in a dream. I've been chugging water for the past couple of days and I still feel like I'm not attached to my body. I have anxiety and can't feel anything really. I can't think or focus on anything without feeling like I've fallen asleep when I haven't. I'm scared and don't know what to do..

roni4

Posted by @roni4, Jun 12, 2013

As of now I am off of meds (currently 39 weeks pregnant) and I can honestly say I feel a lot better. I just learned to deal with the anxiety and see it as a normal thing and acting on it like that has made me feel "normal" again.

Vcarocks- a good movie my friend told me about is "Numb" it has mathew perry in it and I think you could relate to that movie.

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