Pulse field ablation

Posted by wews @wews, 6 days ago

Has anyone had a pulse field ablation? I have three precious ablations but none have worked because the place in my heart that the cardiologist needs to ablate is too close to my esophagus. I am scheduled to have one in mid December. He said I have a 60% chance of it working. Does anyone have any experience with this? Has anyone had one? Has it worked? Any insights or downsides are appreciated.

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@gloaming well I am fortunate since my Cardiologist was one of the first to do PFAs. He has had a lot of experience so I hope that means he will be able to get to my problems.

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@wews This is very good to see. I am optimistic for you. As an early diagnosis, it should be a breeze. Hopefully it all works out, and I wish you and your EP every success.

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@sjm46 I believe I was diagnosed 3/4 years ago. It took awhile before my first ablation, as my heart is on the right side of my body, so I had to find a Dr that was versed in doing ablations with the heart on the right. Hopefully, this second one will do the trick. If not, I will try to engage a Dr Natale in Austin, who has an outstanding rating for doing ablations. He has an office in La Joya CA, which is not far from Palm Desert where we live.

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@dclifford47 I am wishing you the best; I think finding an expert in your particular situation is the way to go. I'm unfamiliar with the heart being on the right side instead of the left, but then the notes from my ablation revealed that I had some "unusual anatomy" in my left atria so it just proves we are all unique. I truly hope you get the relief you are looking for.

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Hello. I have had two ablations, both RF, and only the second one worked.

The 60% probability of success is probably correct, for PFA, but only because he/she thinks you're a more complex case and that even PFA is not likely to get to the right spot. And, he/she is correct because the run-of-the-mill electrophysiologist (EP) is inexperienced with complex cases. I'll explain:

Most EPs will want to do a PVI first (pulmonary vein isolation) because 90% of all paroxysmal cases, which I take it you are (?), can be successfully ablated with a simple and quick PVI. However, only 75% of all PVIs work, at least the first time. Why is there a disparity between the 90% estimate of all cases needing only a simple PVI but that only 75% of first attempts (called 'index' ablations) work? If you're working hard behind your eyes, you'll guess that it relies on the skill and experience of the practitioner.....the EP. As with all surgeries, all kinds, the surgeon is the key factor. And there are surgeons and there are surgeons....if you follow. You want the best EP you can afford, even if it means a hotel stay for three nights in that city.

So, this has nothing to do with PFA or with RF. The technique matters, but ONLY IN THE RIGHT HANDS....EXPERIENCED HANDS. Unfortunately, not all EPs have the expertise to deal with a case like yours because you have had three attempts with zero success. To me, this means the EP is not ablating the right tissues. And that's only if an ablation will work at all in your case. It could be that your case is not treatable by ablation.

My advice, as very inexpert as I am, with no medical training, is to find another EP, a better one, probably upwards of 45 years old, in a large center, who performs RF and PFA, but who claims to deal with complex cases, and who performs 6-10 ablations every week year round. If you have the means and can travel, I can recommend two whom are highly regarded in their field: Dr. Andrea Natale at the Texas Cardiac Arrhythmia Institute in Austin, and Dr. Pasquale Santangeli at Cleveland Clinic. There are others who are excellent, but you'll need to ask around, get your info sent to them, consult over the phone, and see if they 'd like to take a crack at your self. PFA, sure, RF- why not....it's the handler that makes the difference. Yes, PFA is going to be safer because it offers less of a risk for esophageal damage, but again, in the right hands, with a TEE shoved down your esophagus, there's no reason to have damage form an RF ablation (yes, there's a risk, always, but it's so small in the right hands that you just discount it). Again, RF would still work if that's what is needed, PFA is less risky, but the technique, either one, only works for you in the right hands. THAT..................is your challenge.

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@gloa7ming

Dr. John D. Day, St. Marks Hospital in Salt Lake City is an expert on PFA!

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I had PFA and Watchman a week ago in Salt Lake City. Doing great so far. I highly recommend Dr. John D. Day at Heart Center at St. Mark's Hospital for at least a consult at (385) 580-1984, 1160 East 3900 South, Ste 2000
Salt Lake City, UT 84124

Dr. Day is a renowned Cardiologist in PFA.

Bob

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I just got on the schedule for my pulsed field ablation, hooray! Still waiting for confirmation that I will also get a watchman. I will be first up on the schedule. Any idea how long to expect it to take?

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@tekkie50 I am 5 days post ablation and I am so happy with the results! I counted down the days until I could get this done! I had PFA and my electrophysiologist was highly respected and experienced in my area. I am barely a year into the A-fib diagnosis and almost one year from my first (and only) cardioversion. Because I was still considered paroxysmal, I felt ver hopeful that this ablation would work for me. As to the "basic" ablation that some talk about, I think my EP did a much better job than just the "cookie cutter" version that some docs do. I read the surgical report on my chart, and although I can't understand everything technical, I see that he took his time and made sure that he hit all the necessary spots in spite of what he described as my "unique anatomy in the left atria." I also read the anesthesia report, looked up all the meds given and marveled at how they manage the patients under general anesthsia. My ablation lasted from about 9:30 am to about 12:50 pm when I was taken off intubation. I had a smooth recovery and stayed overnight in the hospital--which he had anticipated and for which I am grateful. I have followed his directions to the letter! I am off Cardizem and my blood pressure and pulse are excellent. I am more than thrilled; I feel so lucky. I sincerely wish the same for you. You sound as motivated as I was to get this done. I have made so many lifestyle changes and I was in pretty good shape to begin with but at 79 years young, I feel very appreciative that I received the excellent treatment that all patients deserve! Best wishes to you! I hope you let us know how it works out for you! Good luck!

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The PF ablation success rate is closer to 82%. After suffering with AFib for about five years, progressively getting worse to 59 episodes in 2024, lasting 20+ hours each, I had a PF ablation at Mayo Rochester. Piece of cake. I had a few short episodes in the few days that followed - was told to expect that - and now I am AFib free. I am back to pushing myself harder, walking fast, even a little jogging, and weightlifting. I've even started drinking again (reasonably). I had mine in February 2025. Hope it lasts forever. I also have esophageal issues (I've had it stretched twice) and a hiatal hernia. The key is to find the right doctor. It's a skills thing. I drove four hours to get to the #1 clinic. 73M.

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The PF ablation success rate is closer to 82%. After suffering with AFib for about five years, progressively getting worse to 59 episodes in 2024, lasting 20+ hours each, I had a PF ablation at Mayo Rochester. Piece of cake. I had a few short episodes in the few days that followed - was told to expect that - and now I am AFib free. I am back to pushing myself harder, walking fast, even a little jogging, and weightlifting. I've even started drinking again (reasonably). I had mine in February 2025. Hope it lasts forever. I also have esophageal issues (I've had it stretched twice) and a hiatal hernia. The key is to find the right doctor. It's a skills thing. I drove four hours to get to the #1 clinic. 73M.

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@cstrutt52 This study suggests otherwise, now three months old:
https://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/Pulsed-field-ablation-was-not-superior-to-radiofrequency-ablation-in-paroxysmal-atrial-fibrillation
I'm always happy to see success cases, no matter who the patient is, the EP performing their ablation, and the technique used. The variances in success (one full year free of the treated arrhythmia) are due almost solely to the skill and experience of the operator of the devices. So, choosing one's EP is a critical part of one's eventual success story when it comes to catheter ablations.

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Profile picture for cstrutt52 @cstrutt52

The PF ablation success rate is closer to 82%. After suffering with AFib for about five years, progressively getting worse to 59 episodes in 2024, lasting 20+ hours each, I had a PF ablation at Mayo Rochester. Piece of cake. I had a few short episodes in the few days that followed - was told to expect that - and now I am AFib free. I am back to pushing myself harder, walking fast, even a little jogging, and weightlifting. I've even started drinking again (reasonably). I had mine in February 2025. Hope it lasts forever. I also have esophageal issues (I've had it stretched twice) and a hiatal hernia. The key is to find the right doctor. It's a skills thing. I drove four hours to get to the #1 clinic. 73M.

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@cstrutt52 wow. That is awesome. I pray I have that result. I have full faith in my doctors skills but if it doesn’t work I will consider Mayo Clinic. It would be a flight for me to Cleveland from NJ. Was there a particular doctor you used?

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The PF ablation success rate is closer to 82%. After suffering with AFib for about five years, progressively getting worse to 59 episodes in 2024, lasting 20+ hours each, I had a PF ablation at Mayo Rochester. Piece of cake. I had a few short episodes in the few days that followed - was told to expect that - and now I am AFib free. I am back to pushing myself harder, walking fast, even a little jogging, and weightlifting. I've even started drinking again (reasonably). I had mine in February 2025. Hope it lasts forever. I also have esophageal issues (I've had it stretched twice) and a hiatal hernia. The key is to find the right doctor. It's a skills thing. I drove four hours to get to the #1 clinic. 73M.

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@cstrutt52 I agree with you--finding the #1 clinic or #1 electrophysiologist to do the procedure is very important! I appreciate your recovery story and I am very hopeful about my ablation because I only experienced A-fib for one year before my ablation. From what I have read, the sooner it is addressed this way, the better. I gave up all alcohol and cut down on caffeine which might have been one of my triggers. Mostly I lost weight and have always exercised daily, so those things may have helped too! But mostly I got a great physician and I am so pleased that he seems to have taken his time and really did more than the "basics" to get a good result for me.

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@cstrutt52 This study suggests otherwise, now three months old:
https://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/Pulsed-field-ablation-was-not-superior-to-radiofrequency-ablation-in-paroxysmal-atrial-fibrillation
I'm always happy to see success cases, no matter who the patient is, the EP performing their ablation, and the technique used. The variances in success (one full year free of the treated arrhythmia) are due almost solely to the skill and experience of the operator of the devices. So, choosing one's EP is a critical part of one's eventual success story when it comes to catheter ablations.

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@gloaming I think my cardiologist feels like he has a chance to get to the tissue he needs to ablate with PFA. So I am hoping that will lead to success where the RA or CA couldn’t be used so near to my esophagus. I am a small woman and perhaps that also made a difference. But it worked for my husband so far so I hope it works for me. Thanks for sharing the study.

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