Anemia in the elderly

Posted by JohnWBurns @johnwburns, Aug 20, 2016

Like a lot of other things it has a bigger impact on older folks. Any condition where cardiac function is compromised, heart failure for example, will likely be made worse by anemia.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1339998-overview

Heart failure example:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569049/

If you have iron deficiency anemia for example, get it treated, but don't assume that you have it and treat it yourself. The reasons for it can be complex and self treating can be worse than the condition.

Jim

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@oldkarl

Hi, @peach414144 You sure we are not closely related somehow? Anyway, I have also been trying to fight a low-grade anemia for at least 60 years. A few years ago a medico in a hospital someplace (kiddingly, I thought) asked if I thought I might have “a plastic anemia”. Knowing that he was something of a clown, I just laughed it off. I did not know what he was talking about, but he was certainly telling a joke….I thought. Only recently I have begun to realize that “aplastic anemia” is not a joke, but a serious medical problem which often comes as part of some autoimmune disorder, such as mis-folded protein deposit disease, etc. Like rheumatoid arthritis, etc. Anyway, I have low levels of red blood cells, hematocrit, hemoglobin. So yes, for you and me both, I would suspect that anemia would be part of our packages. Mayo says that a “strong suspicion” that the villain is such a critter as “a(-)plastic anemia!” is a pre-requisite for diagnosis and treatment. The strong suspicion seems to be, in itself, a bit of a symptom. Sounds to me that you are there already.

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@p.s. yes, we might be related knowing this information. (eastern european)?

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Eastern European, Viking, Portuguese

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@oldkarl

Hi, @peach414144 You sure we are not closely related somehow? Anyway, I have also been trying to fight a low-grade anemia for at least 60 years. A few years ago a medico in a hospital someplace (kiddingly, I thought) asked if I thought I might have “a plastic anemia”. Knowing that he was something of a clown, I just laughed it off. I did not know what he was talking about, but he was certainly telling a joke….I thought. Only recently I have begun to realize that “aplastic anemia” is not a joke, but a serious medical problem which often comes as part of some autoimmune disorder, such as mis-folded protein deposit disease, etc. Like rheumatoid arthritis, etc. Anyway, I have low levels of red blood cells, hematocrit, hemoglobin. So yes, for you and me both, I would suspect that anemia would be part of our packages. Mayo says that a “strong suspicion” that the villain is such a critter as “a(-)plastic anemia!” is a pre-requisite for diagnosis and treatment. The strong suspicion seems to be, in itself, a bit of a symptom. Sounds to me that you are there already.

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Great! I have succeeded!

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@oldkarl

Eastern European, Viking, Portuguese

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@looked up aplastic anemia. rheumatoid and psoriatic arthritis can attack the marrow in the bones which in turn causes the damage of the red cells, etc. thus causing the anemia. i do remember the last two attacks of these arthritis (which one i do not know because they take turns, they have a mind of their own.) anyway during these attacks i told the doctors that the pain seems to be inside the bones and travelling up and in the bones. now i know why the pain was so significant and exactly where the pain was. just think, there i am lying in great pain for more than three months while the damage is being done with the doctors knowing this information and NOTHING IS DONE FOR IT. how can they justify themselves by ignoring the obvious? am i the only patient being treated (or not treated) for this? is this ignorance on their part or just that they do not care? questions, questions, questions. the pieces of the puzzle are there and they are just being ignored. is this criminal? i will still smile as long as i can.

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A complete blood count with differential can narrow down the list of possible causes of anemia. There is the Red Blood Count, Hemoglobin count, Reticulocyte (immature red cell) count, Hematocrit plus the indices Mean Corpuscular Volume, Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin and Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration. The red blood and hemoglobin analyses alone can rule out many possible causes. The White cell counts can also suggest the presence or absence of conditions associated with anemia, including blood cancers. Iron supplements can do more harm than good and should be avoided unless iron deficiency is confirmed by additional tests.

The effects of anemia are magnified in the presence of lung and cardiovascular diseases and other conditions that can cause fatigue, including lymphoma. Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia is staged according to hemoglobin and platelet counts, which are indices of bone marrow suppression. However, even in early stages of CLL there can be advanced signs and symptoms of lymphoma, such as night sweats, frequent infections, moderate to severe fatigue and very low immunoglobulin levels together with normal or near-normal hemoglobin levels. Small-cell Lymphocytic Leukemia involves exactly the same type of cell as CLL, but likely originates in a lymph node and spreads to other lymph nodes before it gets established in the bone marrow. SLL looks like, is staged like and treated like some other indolent lymphomas. SLL is staged according to the Ann Arbor system and generally not treated in advanced stages unless there are b-grade symptoms (e.g., night sweats, frequent infections) or bulky lymph nodes, and the goal of treatment is to relieve symptoms and / or reduce lymph node size. CLL often develops characteristics of SLL in late stages, and sometimes in early stages. CLL diagnosed as old rai stage 1 or 2 might actually represent a late stage of SLL that has infiltrated the bone marrow. If there are 4,999 monoclonal lymphocytes in the blood stream at time of diagnosis, it is SLL, and if 5,000 it's CLL. However, characteristics of SLL can be very prominent in early stages of CLL. CLL specialists usually make treatment decisions in accord with International Workshop Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment of Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia, which allows treatment of early stage CLL with b-grade symptoms or bulky and symptomatic lymph nodes, spleen and other organs. The criteria for and goals of treatment of CLL and SLL can be the same. I know from bitter personal experience that there are hematologists who are either not familiar with or do not agree with International Workshop guidelines, and ignore indications for treatment of an indolent lymphoma because they believe that they are dealing with a form of "leukemia" and not a lymphoma, at least not in early stages.

Disclaimer. I am a Licensed Practical Nurse who completed more advanced coursework in biology that is required for an RN license and have intensively studied subject related to diagnosis and treatment of CLL during the past 3 years, including basic hematology and immunology. I can recommend Mayo Clinic to anyone with CLL because there are CL-specialists within the department of hematology who follow International Workshop guidelines and are focused on treating CLL patients. Mayo Clinic has National Cancer Institute accreditation, which requires a much higher degree of specialization in treatment of cancers than is found in most oncology and hematology practices.

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@dougmann

A complete blood count with differential can narrow down the list of possible causes of anemia. There is the Red Blood Count, Hemoglobin count, Reticulocyte (immature red cell) count, Hematocrit plus the indices Mean Corpuscular Volume, Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin and Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration. The red blood and hemoglobin analyses alone can rule out many possible causes. The White cell counts can also suggest the presence or absence of conditions associated with anemia, including blood cancers. Iron supplements can do more harm than good and should be avoided unless iron deficiency is confirmed by additional tests.

The effects of anemia are magnified in the presence of lung and cardiovascular diseases and other conditions that can cause fatigue, including lymphoma. Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia is staged according to hemoglobin and platelet counts, which are indices of bone marrow suppression. However, even in early stages of CLL there can be advanced signs and symptoms of lymphoma, such as night sweats, frequent infections, moderate to severe fatigue and very low immunoglobulin levels together with normal or near-normal hemoglobin levels. Small-cell Lymphocytic Leukemia involves exactly the same type of cell as CLL, but likely originates in a lymph node and spreads to other lymph nodes before it gets established in the bone marrow. SLL looks like, is staged like and treated like some other indolent lymphomas. SLL is staged according to the Ann Arbor system and generally not treated in advanced stages unless there are b-grade symptoms (e.g., night sweats, frequent infections) or bulky lymph nodes, and the goal of treatment is to relieve symptoms and / or reduce lymph node size. CLL often develops characteristics of SLL in late stages, and sometimes in early stages. CLL diagnosed as old rai stage 1 or 2 might actually represent a late stage of SLL that has infiltrated the bone marrow. If there are 4,999 monoclonal lymphocytes in the blood stream at time of diagnosis, it is SLL, and if 5,000 it's CLL. However, characteristics of SLL can be very prominent in early stages of CLL. CLL specialists usually make treatment decisions in accord with International Workshop Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment of Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia, which allows treatment of early stage CLL with b-grade symptoms or bulky and symptomatic lymph nodes, spleen and other organs. The criteria for and goals of treatment of CLL and SLL can be the same. I know from bitter personal experience that there are hematologists who are either not familiar with or do not agree with International Workshop guidelines, and ignore indications for treatment of an indolent lymphoma because they believe that they are dealing with a form of "leukemia" and not a lymphoma, at least not in early stages.

Disclaimer. I am a Licensed Practical Nurse who completed more advanced coursework in biology that is required for an RN license and have intensively studied subject related to diagnosis and treatment of CLL during the past 3 years, including basic hematology and immunology. I can recommend Mayo Clinic to anyone with CLL because there are CL-specialists within the department of hematology who follow International Workshop guidelines and are focused on treating CLL patients. Mayo Clinic has National Cancer Institute accreditation, which requires a much higher degree of specialization in treatment of cancers than is found in most oncology and hematology practices.

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Is there a treatment for the anemia that results from the CLL or SLL?

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@oneillbe26

Is there a treatment for the anemia that results from the CLL or SLL?

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Hi @oneillbe26, welcome. Am I correct that you have been diagnosed with CLL or SLL and are now also experiencing anemia as a result?

The most common treatments of anemia in patients with cancer include:
- Iron therapy.
- Red blood cell transfusion, commonly known as blood transfusion.
- Erythropoiesis-stimulating agents (ESAs)
- or other drugs.

Have any of these options been mentioned to you?

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Thanks for your reply. I was told Iron wouldn’t help and the others have not been mentioned.

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@oneillbe26

Is there a treatment for the anemia that results from the CLL or SLL?

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Sorry to put in another complaint but here goes: I have asked my nephrologist: is kidney dialysis deadly for a pancytopenia patient and the doctor will not speak to me nor answer this question. Keeps putting me off and has his assistant talk to me again with no answer. Cannot go to another doctor because this group is a monopoly in my county. It is important to put my affairs in order especially at age 84, Mentally this really bothers me. What can I do without traveling further which for many reasons I cannot do? Anyone please. Peach

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@peach414144

Sorry to put in another complaint but here goes: I have asked my nephrologist: is kidney dialysis deadly for a pancytopenia patient and the doctor will not speak to me nor answer this question. Keeps putting me off and has his assistant talk to me again with no answer. Cannot go to another doctor because this group is a monopoly in my county. It is important to put my affairs in order especially at age 84, Mentally this really bothers me. What can I do without traveling further which for many reasons I cannot do? Anyone please. Peach

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Hello Peach,
It is always distressing to look for answers and not find them. I am not sure whether that has to do with your nephrologist's reluctance or not. I am not very familiar with pancytopenia, but it seems to me the question might be better addressed to your hematologist or whoever treats it.
Can you contact her/him for a respnse?
Sue

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