Visual Snow: Anyone experience this?

Posted by agraffia @agraffia, Jul 17, 2012

Has anyone ever experienced "visual snow"? My daughter suffers from this and sees it 24/7. No doctors seem to be able to help her. We've been everywhere in Chicago, and nobody can help her so they left it with "sorry, she'll have to learn to live with it". She's only 12 years old! So I'm trying Mayo now. Just wondering if anyone out there has ever experienced this; apparently it's rather rare.

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@danny59

Hello my name is Danny. I live in Hayward, Ca. I haven't been to the Dr to have a diagnosis but I'm certain I have VS. I got an onset of floaters Nov 2016 and VS came this Jan 2017. I've worn glasses since I was a teen. My mom has bad eye sight as well, she began to suffer from various conditions late in her 50's from iritis, inflammation, and one or two floaters.

I'll be 36 this year and I am attributing VS to the very stressful and traumatic 2016.

Here is my story it's long but I promise it will provide some insight....

Feb 17th, 2016, I sustained 3rd degree burns to my right arm due to an accident working on a car. I was hospitalized for 13 days at St Francis Medical Burn Unit. I had the first 2 surgeries of my life during my stay (xenografts and autografts) it was the absolute worst pain I've experienced ever. It was also the first time I've ever taken pain meds, ever. I was given morphine, percocets, dilaudid, fentynol round the clock. After being discharged, I spent the next 5 months healing up at home. Physically my recovery has gone well. Attempted to go back to work and everything seemed normal for the next few months.

Come Oct 8th, 2016 while I was visiting a friend in NY I got a severe panic attack, hands turned blue and ice cold, began convulsing, heart beating a million miles, in and out of consciousness. A week later after coming home, I began to experience heavy anxiety. So much so I could barley walk, short of breathe, felt as if at any moment I could pass out. Within the coming weeks my anxiety got so bad I couldn't leave my apartment. I saw a psychiatrist and was prescribed anti depressants (benzos and SSRi's) at times they worked. However in Nov 2016 I noticed eye floaters in my vision and after some research I personally came to the conclusion that the benzos may have caused the floaters so I decided to stop. Coming off benzos to SSRI's was extremely hard and literally felt like I was going die. I've seen 2 optometrists and 1 ophthalmologist who said nothing could be done about my floaters and not to worry as my eyes are structurally and physically healthy.

Jan 2017 I began to have bad acid reflux from some of the SSRI's I was taking so I stopped them as well and began to notice the VS. When the VS came it also came with a very strange sensation of de-realization which eventually went away. It also came with a host of other eye problems, negative after images when I close my eyes, visual portals/auras, lightning bolts, light sensitivity a bit of tinnitus and my very first migraine.

I'm generally a very healthy person. I don't eat beef or pork or any fast food at all whatsoever. I do a lot of walking. I've never done any serious drugs my entire life aside from cannabis, in fact it was only until 2016 that I've taken morphine when I was in the ICU (for my burn) or any prescription medications.

As of Oct 2016 I've quit drinking alcohol and smoking cannabis. I was only a weekend social drinker, and smoked cannabis a few times a week.

My VS consists more of color static. I have trouble focusing and can't stare at anything bright for too long, glares, reflections all bother me. I also have light trails from objects that I stare at, almost as if the image follows after I've moved on.

All of this has had negative implications on my life. Before I was very outgoing, fearless, I loved to travel and try new things, and was very social. I now find it hard to enjoy things I once did. I'm afraid of doing simple things like going on day trips, work, or going to social gatherings. My floaters and VS are constantly in the back of my mind and they exacerbate my anxiety. I'm saddened that I can't fully experience my sight and I'm afraid that perhaps one day it might be gone from me.

As of this month June 2017 I've now fallen into a pretty dark depression. I now get migraines nearly every day that have been on going for 11 days since writing this. My 5 year relationship with my gf has been greatly impacted and I've been let go of my job due to poor performance. I realize I'm not dying but internally I feel I have very little left.

I do my best to practice yoga, meditation, and deep breathing exercises as they do provide me with some relief with my anxiety and depression however it's been extremely hard accepting there is no cure for my VS and I don't do them as often as I should.

Any kind words or advise would be immensely appreciated.

To anyone who is suffering from this or knows anyone I'm truly so very sorry, my heart breaks for you and your loved ones. I feel like a caged animal, all I want to do is run free but this disease has me chained up and I could only imagine how hindering it must feel for young children suffering from this.

Sending my love,

Danny

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Hi Erika,
So sorry to hear about your situation, literally teary eyed as I'm writing this. I do get noise sensitive from time to time, especially when migraines come around. There are days where I just want to hide away from all stimulation, at the same time all I want is my old life back and be out with friends. I feel pulled in two separate directions and all I want is a little relief from it all. I've received a referral to be seen at UCSF headache and VS center but was told they don't have availability until Oct, so discouraging :[
Wish you well Erika, I hope things start looking up for you and all of us here.

Much love,
Danny

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I have had broadband visual snow since I was a small child always with red in it. I would lie in my bed at night looking at it.
Never knew there was a name for it until maybe 10 years ago with the internet. Thought everyone had it. I am 47 and though it is there I dont notice it much now. Even as a child I had a lot of anxiety & the more anxious I am the worse it is. I do have an autoimmune disease, Psoriasis & Psoriatic Arthritis. As for medications causing it I had obviously not taken any hallucinations at age 4. I do think there is a link to anxiety. I do take medication for depression / anxiety but I do not think it affects the snow one way or another.

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@amyjo

I have had broadband visual snow since I was a small child always with red in it. I would lie in my bed at night looking at it.
Never knew there was a name for it until maybe 10 years ago with the internet. Thought everyone had it. I am 47 and though it is there I dont notice it much now. Even as a child I had a lot of anxiety & the more anxious I am the worse it is. I do have an autoimmune disease, Psoriasis & Psoriatic Arthritis. As for medications causing it I had obviously not taken any hallucinations at age 4. I do think there is a link to anxiety. I do take medication for depression / anxiety but I do not think it affects the snow one way or another.

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Hello @amyjo, welcome to Mayo Connect. We are glad you found us. Connect is a great place to share your story, ask questions and find out what others with similar conditions to treat their health concerns. I had never heard of visual snow until I saw these posts on Connect. I found this YouTube video - A presentation on visual snow syndrome and its relationship to tinnitus. Also, the management of bothersome symptoms using mindfulness practices like yoga and meditation. Presented by Matthew Renze at the 24th annual international Management of the Tinnitus and Hyperacusis Patient conference from Dec 2016:

John

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Hello, I have had visual snow since childhood. Only since Eye on Vision Research did I know that I was not alone with this condition. I am waiting for an appointment at Mayo to see if this is related to auto immune disease. Back in 1984, I was given a dexamethasone suppression test to see if I suffered from clinical depression. The response that I got from the dexamethasone was life changing. I remember asking the nurse what the h*** he gave me because I very quickly experienced a calm that I had never had before, sense of well being, and remarkable ability to think "effortlessly". I am ADD and suffer from anxiety. The most profound thing was when I went to bed that night in a dark room, for the first and only time in my life, my constant companion of "TV fuzz" was gone. I could see objects in the room clearly with no grainy visual affect. That day changed my life and allowed me for one fleeting moment in time to understand that this must be how other people experience life, no grainy vision, no problems thinking clearly, and the sense of well being that was life changing. Since that time, I have told this story to every singe doctor (eye specialist, psychiatrist, etc.) and no one had a clue what this was and kept sending my to psychiatrists or thought it may be an aura connected to my migraines. Now, with the attention on the new research I have found doctors that actual believe me and believe the experience was real and significant. You have no idea how I was made to feel like this was all in my head. I understand that dexamethasone reduces inflammation but also works on a molecular level impacting signal processing and triggering gene function. I have offered myself up for research and personally believe that the benefits I received from dexamethasone somehow corrected the neural "connection" which improved my signal processing with vision, thinking, emotion. I think more research needs to be done in this area, but there is no diagnostic code for "visual snow", so this may still take time for standard of care medicine to embrace what I know to be true. I will try to post after going to Mayo to see if anything of significance comes about. Best of luck to your daughter.

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I have had visual snow for about a year now and I just thought I was imagining it. Recently though Ive been having constant headaches( 24/7) also which I think I may have been getting this past year but I was dismissing it. I also have a problem with anxiety; I feel down very often. I also remembered recently that I got banged on the head this past year ( no concusion)
any ideas if these things are connected?
Thank you

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ps I think my peripheral vision may also be decreasing

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I wanted to give everyone a quick update as to my symptoms with visual snow and treatment.

I was seen by a UCSF Headache specialist - their doctors were part of Dr Goadsby's team in the 2014 research on VS - unfortunately I did not get any help other then a prescription for Nortriptyline. To be honest I haven't tried it, mainly for the reason that I do not want to be on antidepressants. This left me dealing with all my VS symptoms with no resolve.

I am not working due to my symptoms and inability to know how I will feel each day. Because I am not working I have medi-cal which is the bottom of the barrel in terms of health insurance, with only the option to see clinical doctors. Visits with Primary Doctor, who I've gotten into arguments with, have resulted in nothing more than him saying he can't help me there is nothing he can do - verbatim.

I am 36 years old and this is the first time since I started working at 16 that I've been unemployed for more than a year and have ever been on disability. Both my professional & personal life have taken a hit, sad story I wont' go into.

After speaking with people on facebook with similar issues I've found two possible options as a cause to VS:

The first is Lyme disease. I spoke to a gentlemen in Ontario who had VS along with all the symptoms (VS, BFEP, Eye Floaters, light sensitivity, ghosting/trailing, flickering, stiff neck, headache, tinnitus, fatigue, muscle spasms, joint pain). He was diagnosed with Lyme disease and after 3 months of IV antibiotic treatment is free of all his VS symptoms with the exception of a little VS and his floaters. This led me to get tested through iGenx lab in Palo Alto by way of an LLMD doctor. From what I'm told many tests for lyme come back negative so it's important to keep testing. My tests with iGenx came back indeterminate and still going through another round of testing. I was bitten by a tick late last year around the same time my symptoms started so this is why I'm pursuing Lyme disease as a possible culprit.

The second possibility is metal toxicity specifically Mercury Poisoning. I began to look into this after speaking with a lady whom I met through an acquaintance. Again I went through all the symptoms that I had and verified that she indeed had the same. This lady was local to me and I was able to meet in person. She was advised by a friend to remove the metal fillings in her mouth as they could possibly be exposing her body to mercury. After about a month of detoxing from heavy metals and getting the fillings removed she was back to her old self. No VS symptoms with the exception a few eye floaters.

I don't pretend for even a moment to know how VS comes about or what causes it. I only know what I've seen and am hopeful that lyme and metal toxicity are possible options for me to be rid of my god awful symptoms.

If any of you suspect that lyme infection, metal toxicity might be a cause to VS to you or a loved one please pursue it. I am now in the process of getting my metal fillings removed and will update you if there is any improvements to my symptoms.

Wish everyone well, much love.

Danny

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@mommaj

I've had this since early childhood - as long as I can remember. It's getting worse with age. (I'm 46.)

It wasn't until my 20s when I realized it wasn't normal. Then the eye doctors I asked had no clue what I was talking about. Only yesterday did I find a name for it. Here I had begun to believe I was the ONLY one -- so glad there are others!

There doesn't seem to be a cure at this time, or even much in the way of research. I have read there seems to be a connection with auto-immune disorders, particularly Lupus. I have several symptoms of Lupus including butterfly rash and positive ANA, but it doesn't seem doctors want to diagnose it without kidney damage. (Which makes no sense to me.)

Have you had much bloodwork done on your daughter?

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I wanted to thank you for following up and posting this. How is your daughter doing? My 10 year old son has been experiencing visual snow in the mornings the last few weeks. We've been convinced he has a autoimmune condition of some kind for several years now, but haven't been able to find any positive antibodies.

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@mommaj

I've had this since early childhood - as long as I can remember. It's getting worse with age. (I'm 46.)

It wasn't until my 20s when I realized it wasn't normal. Then the eye doctors I asked had no clue what I was talking about. Only yesterday did I find a name for it. Here I had begun to believe I was the ONLY one -- so glad there are others!

There doesn't seem to be a cure at this time, or even much in the way of research. I have read there seems to be a connection with auto-immune disorders, particularly Lupus. I have several symptoms of Lupus including butterfly rash and positive ANA, but it doesn't seem doctors want to diagnose it without kidney damage. (Which makes no sense to me.)

Have you had much bloodwork done on your daughter?

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Hi @pollyetal
What symptoms or indications lead you to believe that your son has an autoimmune condition?
You may be interested in the discussions in the Autoimmune Disorders group as well: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/autoimmune-diseases/

Is he still experiencing visual snow?

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@grace02

Hi. My daughter, Grace, is 11. She got diagnosed with Hashimoto this summer, after having the seeing dots 24/7 symptom, about 2 months earlier. She still has the dots full time, but does not see them in outdoor lighting, unless it is dark. She sees full time in the indoor lighting. I am feeling hopeless today about the dots. We are working with a chiropractor and nutritionist. We have gotten rid of the dizziness, nausea, and leg pain symptoms. So that is really hopeful. I would love to connect with the mom that wrote about her 12 year old (at the time) daughter who has Hashimoto w/dots. I would ask, what is helping now? Recommendations? We are on the AIP diet and trying the natural route for now, mainly because Grace is functioning through the dots. Any chance your daughter would be interested in a fellow dot seeing pen pal? My daughter often feels alone with this. Thanks. Melissa

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Hi, Melissa,
How is your daughter doing? was her vision snow gone?
She started have leg/knee pain at night, every day, half year ago, and lasted for three and half months. We saw 10s specialists and can't be diagnosed. Finally, the leg/knee pain gone. She complained about floaters and flash light a month before leg/knee pain. She saw several eye specialists and eye is normal. She complains that she can see lots a small dots on the subject, and dots are getting big. We already see all kinds of specialists, and run out of choice. Hope you or someone can share their experience. Thanks, Bintuan

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