To vaccinate or not to vaccinate? That is the question.

Posted by silverwoman @silverwoman, Jan 4, 2021

<p>I know I am not the only post-transplant patient who is thinking about getting the coVID vaccination. My nurse coordinator has told me that the transplant team at Jacksonville has not approved vaccination yet because of the lack of experience with it for our group. One of the Infectious Disease doctors has indicated in a Mayo communication that transplants should be getting vaccinated. The nurse coordinator has said that if we choose to get vaccinated then we should do our laboratories once a week. I'm frustrated and confused by the lack of clear guidance and seemingly conflicting opinions. Is anybody else feeling like this? Have you made any decisions about when and if you will get vaccinated?</p>

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I would like to just say that im very concerned that among the Medical Community there is a lot of major opinions as to this Virus. Some seem to reley on certain people and agencies mostly based on who the Government has used. But my concern is we seem to treat them as authority and any Doctors who have a different opinion or experience is being ignored by the Media and it seems social media also. It feels like censorship and treating us like we need to only listen to approved agencies. So I really would like serious consideration of some of the doctors that have other evidence also looked at and have them come.to a consensus. So one very experienced doctor I watched recently is Dr Lee Merrit and Dr Andrew Hill who if they were my doctors I would feel better that they are not just following the crowd but looking at all aspects. Just my take but I feel uninformed as to what is truth.

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@danab

I would like to just say that im very concerned that among the Medical Community there is a lot of major opinions as to this Virus. Some seem to reley on certain people and agencies mostly based on who the Government has used. But my concern is we seem to treat them as authority and any Doctors who have a different opinion or experience is being ignored by the Media and it seems social media also. It feels like censorship and treating us like we need to only listen to approved agencies. So I really would like serious consideration of some of the doctors that have other evidence also looked at and have them come.to a consensus. So one very experienced doctor I watched recently is Dr Lee Merrit and Dr Andrew Hill who if they were my doctors I would feel better that they are not just following the crowd but looking at all aspects. Just my take but I feel uninformed as to what is truth.

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@danab- Good morning Dana. I agree that there is much confusion still afloat in the covid world. One promising thing that I read this morning is the possibility of standardized masks. But, Dr. Fauci, in this video, quotes the CDC and says that it might not happen. I disagree with him. I think that in the future we will see very good masks that won't be uncomfortable. I think that as the new administration gains more of a footing there will be more standardized protocols. But remember, Dana, doctors are notorious for disagreeing on major issues.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/health/masks-coronavirus-standards-coming/index.html
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@danab

I would like to just say that im very concerned that among the Medical Community there is a lot of major opinions as to this Virus. Some seem to reley on certain people and agencies mostly based on who the Government has used. But my concern is we seem to treat them as authority and any Doctors who have a different opinion or experience is being ignored by the Media and it seems social media also. It feels like censorship and treating us like we need to only listen to approved agencies. So I really would like serious consideration of some of the doctors that have other evidence also looked at and have them come.to a consensus. So one very experienced doctor I watched recently is Dr Lee Merrit and Dr Andrew Hill who if they were my doctors I would feel better that they are not just following the crowd but looking at all aspects. Just my take but I feel uninformed as to what is truth.

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I very much agree with the argument that we vaccinate for too many illnesses. However, for me, I feel that the Covid vaccine is the quickest way for us to get out of this serious pandemic. Like everyone in this group, I’ve been in strict lockdown for nearly a year. I live alone and am growing weary of the isolation and fear of catching Covid. I’ve done loads of research and I am reasonably confident about the benefits of the vaccine. Am I nervous about getting it? Yes! But I’m going ahead with it. For those considering the vaccine but worried about potential complications, I found this helpful - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/clinical-considerations.html#Appendix-A

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@athenalee

I very much agree with the argument that we vaccinate for too many illnesses. However, for me, I feel that the Covid vaccine is the quickest way for us to get out of this serious pandemic. Like everyone in this group, I’ve been in strict lockdown for nearly a year. I live alone and am growing weary of the isolation and fear of catching Covid. I’ve done loads of research and I am reasonably confident about the benefits of the vaccine. Am I nervous about getting it? Yes! But I’m going ahead with it. For those considering the vaccine but worried about potential complications, I found this helpful - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/clinical-considerations.html#Appendix-A

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@athenalee- That's a great site. Thank you for posting it. I believe that vaccines help prevent pandemics like what we see with COVID-19 and its variants. Vaccines, like the polio vaccine, were begun after a worldwide spread. Some have combined several variants of different diseases. Dr. Poland, of the May Clinic, suggested that this is probably the aim for the future with covid vaccines. It's only through vaccines that we can protect as many people as we can.

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@contentandwell

I just read this article in my local email but it's from a news outlet. It has very good info in it. In the lead-in that is not included here, it says the most hesitant to get it are young nurses and black people. I find it interesting that they are the most skeptical.
I was told by a nurse I know that at her hospital a survey was done among the doctors and nurses and just about all of the doctors said they would get it but the percentage of nurses was somewhere around 85%.

https://www.wmur.com/article/if-your-loved-one-is-hesitant-to-get-the-covid-19-vaccine-share-this/35392910
JK

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@contentandwell, Very good news on your lab report, JK. Thanks too for the excellent link for ways to respond to those hesitant about taking the vaccine. Covid became another political football in my locale and I share the concern of others that mine is a state slow to adopt taking the vaccine. Having access to these fact based responses may come in handy.

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@danab

I would like to just say that im very concerned that among the Medical Community there is a lot of major opinions as to this Virus. Some seem to reley on certain people and agencies mostly based on who the Government has used. But my concern is we seem to treat them as authority and any Doctors who have a different opinion or experience is being ignored by the Media and it seems social media also. It feels like censorship and treating us like we need to only listen to approved agencies. So I really would like serious consideration of some of the doctors that have other evidence also looked at and have them come.to a consensus. So one very experienced doctor I watched recently is Dr Lee Merrit and Dr Andrew Hill who if they were my doctors I would feel better that they are not just following the crowd but looking at all aspects. Just my take but I feel uninformed as to what is truth.

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@danab.

Mayo Clinic's advice is good to follow. They don't generally have self-serving motives but do rely on medical research and science. Those are good criteria.

There is less censorship now than in the past so I don't think we have to be as concerned as we were once.

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After attending a recent Cancer support group, 1/2 of which had already received the vaccine, it was widely noted that the cancer C-125 stats would rise after the vaccine. This had happened to all, and their physicians told them not to be alarmed by this, but it would make their stats higher for a few days. The ones who heard this and were scheduled to get the vaccine were glad to be aware of this. FYI.

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@earscan

After attending a recent Cancer support group, 1/2 of which had already received the vaccine, it was widely noted that the cancer C-125 stats would rise after the vaccine. This had happened to all, and their physicians told them not to be alarmed by this, but it would make their stats higher for a few days. The ones who heard this and were scheduled to get the vaccine were glad to be aware of this. FYI.

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@earscan It has proven in my mind at least, that different side effects and after-effects are wide-ranging based on the person's incoming health at the time of vaccination. I had my first dose 3 days before a set of labs, and coincidentally, the second dose is scheduled for 3 days again, before a major set of labs. Drs will be advised of the timing, but hey! I couldn't change it, and lucky to get the vaccine.

@merpreb @danab It is healthy and progressive to have qualified disagreements. A saying my dad used can be applied here. "When two men in business always agree, one of them isn't necessary."
Ginger

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Hi @danab. Dana. There just been a little over a year of coming up with vaccines. It was probably very competitive. Alternate or added drugs were not the first priority. Also, the vaccines were distributed on an emergency basis.

Ivermectin is a de-wormer and has not been tested to treat COVID-19.

Ivermectin | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
http://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral...

Aug 27, 2020. The FDA issued a warning in April 2020 that ivermectin intended for use in animals should not be used to treat COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved for use in humans for the treatment of some parasitic worms (intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis ) and ivermectin topical formulations are approved for human use by prescription only for the treatment of external parasites such as headlice and for skin conditions such as rosacea.

Since so little testing has been done about Ivermectin and humans and for humans with covid. I'm sure though, that someone will test it out and make it a part of what it can treat.

I'm sure that many doctors have suggestions about other drugs too Ivermectin has been released in 1981. But it was intended for animals and as an antiparasitic. There was no known covid at that time. The Ivermectin/covid page says that "unless you use it in a trial, it cannot be used for covid.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

I bet that there are studies being done on some of these "out of the box" drugs.! But in the US doctors aren't allowed to prescribe medications that go outside the box but it takes a long time for tests and trials. More than that, because COVID-19 and its variants are very dangerous I don't think that doctors will be freely trying these on his patient.

I tried to look and see if there are any trials going on about ivermectin in association with Covid-19. If you do find any going on will you please send them to me?

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@danab- It makes me very angry that many trials are stopped because of money. There are lots and lots of trials that are stopped for cancers because of it.

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