Does anyone have experience with Palliative Care?

Posted by ashby1947 @ashby1947, Dec 11, 2020

Hello Everybody - If you have had experience with Palliative Care, I would truly appreciate hearing about it. What were your medical issues? What did your Care Team do? Did it work for you? I'm a 73 y.o. woman with multiply medical problems, most of which are severe: uncontrolled BP (on many medications which create their own problems); dizziness and lightheadedness; Hx of atrial fibrillation and supraventicular tachyicardia; stomach pain daily 8 or 9 on scale (this is recent and I'm not sure tx for heart burn is correct) and all the accompanying issues of no appetite, weight loss, constant nausea; diplopia which affects balance and self-confidence; lumbar stenosis; dry eye syndrome; and other. Sorry, don't mean to be tedious. The reason I mention all these is that dealing with all of them, every day, is making me exhausted and depleted physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. My husband is great; however, this obviously affects him. I am barely able to accomplish activities of daily living, and recently I have asked him to drive me because I don't feel confident on my own.

I know that hospice care is for those with 6 mos or fewer to live. What I've read about Palliative Care mostly talks about care for people with one significant issue - cancer, heart disease, kidney failure. I wonder if I would even qualify since I have multiply problems. I have very good physicians and medical care here in Jacksonville. But they are each specialists. You know how it goes - no one is dealing with how they all interact and the compound effect on me. I have a long session scheduled with my PCP in a few days. He seems to deal only with the presenting problem.

Any thoughts or experiences you have had would be welcome! Hope this is a good day, Sue

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@trishanna

@ashby1947. This whole conversation on Palliative Care has been most helpful. I, too, would not be eligible for such care right now, and yet I'm trying to juggle receiving care from about ten physicians - including surgeons and specialists, physician assistants, etc., sometimes overlapping or contradicting. Would there were a service for us.

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@trishanna

@ashby1947. This whole conversation on Palliative Care has been most helpful. I, too, would not be eligible for such care right now, and yet I'm trying to juggle receiving care from about ten physicians - including surgeons and specialists, physician assistants, etc., sometimes overlapping or contradicting. Would there were a service for us.

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@trishanna I’m sorry to hear that some of you don’t qualify yet for palliative care. We all need help as we get older! Earlier, I had mentioned geriatric care managers. They are usually masters educated nurses who try to help pull all the details together for their clients. They might be worth investigating. I’m going to see what I can find
https://www.homecarepulse.com/articles/national-association-of-professional-geriatric-care-managers/

https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/what-geriatric-care-manager
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@colleenyoung

Hi @antillon8084, I'm glad you found this discussion. At Mayo Clinic, and I believe elsewhere, a patient doesn't require multiple referrals from specialists for access to palliative care. A referral can be made by your PCP or a particular specialist like an oncologist, cardiologist, pulmonologist, neurologist, etc depending on the underlying condition that is initiating the referral.

Antillon, do you have experience with palliative care? How did you get referred?

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Hi Colleen - Please see my post from yesterday. I spoke with Dr. Robinson, who was kind, professional, and informative; however, she spoke of pretty well defined criteria for whom they would and would not accept into the palliative care program. She also did not consider the referral from my PCP and referenced me as a self-referral. Perhaps that's because my PCP is not a member of the Mayo staff. I'm sure it's a great program, as, in my experience, all Mayo programs are. But apparently it is not for me. Back to the drawing board! Have a good day. Sue

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@ashby1947

Hi Colleen - Please see my post from yesterday. I spoke with Dr. Robinson, who was kind, professional, and informative; however, she spoke of pretty well defined criteria for whom they would and would not accept into the palliative care program. She also did not consider the referral from my PCP and referenced me as a self-referral. Perhaps that's because my PCP is not a member of the Mayo staff. I'm sure it's a great program, as, in my experience, all Mayo programs are. But apparently it is not for me. Back to the drawing board! Have a good day. Sue

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Hi @ashby1947, I'm so glad you were able to connect directly with Dr. Robinson. I'm not sure why your request was considered a self-referral rather than the referral from you PCP. Essentially, it shouldn't make a difference how the referral came in, it is the eligibility criteria that is considered.

Eligibility criteria will differ depending on the state, region and institution. Here is some general guidance:
- How Is Eligibility For Palliative Care Decided? What Procedure Is Followed? https://www.virtualhospice.ca/en_US/Main+Site+Navigation/Home/Support/Support/Asked+and+Answered/Palliative+Care/How+is+eligibility+for+palliative+care+decided_+What+procedure+is+followed_.aspx
- Palliative care: Symptom relief during illness https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/palliative-care/in-depth/palliative-care/art-20047525

Sue, might a coordination of care as suggested by other members in this discussion be more akin to what you need?

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@becsbuddy

@trishanna I’m sorry to hear that some of you don’t qualify yet for palliative care. We all need help as we get older! Earlier, I had mentioned geriatric care managers. They are usually masters educated nurses who try to help pull all the details together for their clients. They might be worth investigating. I’m going to see what I can find
https://www.homecarepulse.com/articles/national-association-of-professional-geriatric-care-managers/

https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/what-geriatric-care-manager

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@becsbuddy Sounds promising. I am looking right now for a new pcp and was hoping to find one specializing in geriatric medicine. My pcp has turned me over to an assistant physician, who barely knows what to say to me. She's also a by-the-book kind of person, allowing for no slight differences in folks. Alas, although we are a Midwestern medical center, no one has such a speciality, so I will be asking all my doctors if there is someone who seems a bit more involved with seniors. Since we are a center, and all my information is in that laptop doctors carry everywhere, I don't understand the lack of sharing of said information. In some cases, I suspect it's monetary concerns. Knowing my recovery from emergency surgery at a hospital would prevent my getting two simple blood tests I was scheduled for across the street at the clinic, I requested the hospital contact the clinic, get an order, and do the tests, or whatever would be the procedure. The answer was silence. And two months later, as I guessed, I'm still unable to get my tests. Looking forward to learning here, as I did with Palliative Care, so I thank you in advance.

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@trishanna

@becsbuddy Sounds promising. I am looking right now for a new pcp and was hoping to find one specializing in geriatric medicine. My pcp has turned me over to an assistant physician, who barely knows what to say to me. She's also a by-the-book kind of person, allowing for no slight differences in folks. Alas, although we are a Midwestern medical center, no one has such a speciality, so I will be asking all my doctors if there is someone who seems a bit more involved with seniors. Since we are a center, and all my information is in that laptop doctors carry everywhere, I don't understand the lack of sharing of said information. In some cases, I suspect it's monetary concerns. Knowing my recovery from emergency surgery at a hospital would prevent my getting two simple blood tests I was scheduled for across the street at the clinic, I requested the hospital contact the clinic, get an order, and do the tests, or whatever would be the procedure. The answer was silence. And two months later, as I guessed, I'm still unable to get my tests. Looking forward to learning here, as I did with Palliative Care, so I thank you in advance.

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You did not say where you are, nor where your present PCP is at. Try a search on WebMD or check with a skilled nursing facility to find out what physicians see patients at the SNF. There are some Nurse practitioners that are grounded in senior care. Geriatric care is challenging, and many times require a specialist, such as a cardiologist, pulmonologist, or neurologist. It is getting harder to find a well-rounded PCP. What kind of emergency surgery did you have. I hope you are doing well. I looked at the links @trishanna sent you. It is not a very helpful site and is designed for caregivers. They also charge an outrageous amount. More interest in profit than. actual patient care. Check with your local Medical Society or a church group. Word of mouth is usually your best source for a referral. Not sure what your health policy is, however many medicare plans have case managers and they can help. You mention 'palliative care'. There are several types, hospice care (for those with terminal illnesses who prefer to die at home. What you have may not be immediately life-threatening, however, difficult to treat. I can help you much more if you can tell me what your challenge is. Pain? Weakness, Paralysis, dementia? Do you have any support, family, friends? Let me know

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@galevin

You did not say where you are, nor where your present PCP is at. Try a search on WebMD or check with a skilled nursing facility to find out what physicians see patients at the SNF. There are some Nurse practitioners that are grounded in senior care. Geriatric care is challenging, and many times require a specialist, such as a cardiologist, pulmonologist, or neurologist. It is getting harder to find a well-rounded PCP. What kind of emergency surgery did you have. I hope you are doing well. I looked at the links @trishanna sent you. It is not a very helpful site and is designed for caregivers. They also charge an outrageous amount. More interest in profit than. actual patient care. Check with your local Medical Society or a church group. Word of mouth is usually your best source for a referral. Not sure what your health policy is, however many medicare plans have case managers and they can help. You mention 'palliative care'. There are several types, hospice care (for those with terminal illnesses who prefer to die at home. What you have may not be immediately life-threatening, however, difficult to treat. I can help you much more if you can tell me what your challenge is. Pain? Weakness, Paralysis, dementia? Do you have any support, family, friends? Let me know

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@galevin Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I broke my hip and had a hip replacement. I have found this discussion so interesting - I seem to be the only one interested in geratric care amongst my friends, which is why I'm checking with my doctors, who, btw, I admire. No specific major problem, but I find myself, for example, on three different restrictive diets from three different doctors, which is almost unmanageable. Or, my surgeon put me on a "temporary" aspirin regime - not good long term, but nobody told me to stop, so I finally went back to the AP, who told me aspirin are now considered dangerous. Multiply these kind of things and it's burdensome in that I'm my husband's caretaker. Anyway, thanks for letting me vent.

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@trishanna

@galevin Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I broke my hip and had a hip replacement. I have found this discussion so interesting - I seem to be the only one interested in geratric care amongst my friends, which is why I'm checking with my doctors, who, btw, I admire. No specific major problem, but I find myself, for example, on three different restrictive diets from three different doctors, which is almost unmanageable. Or, my surgeon put me on a "temporary" aspirin regime - not good long term, but nobody told me to stop, so I finally went back to the AP, who told me aspirin are now considered dangerous. Multiply these kind of things and it's burdensome in that I'm my husband's caretaker. Anyway, thanks for letting me vent.

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@trishanna- Good morning. I would be very confused if given 3 different restrictive diets by 3 different doctors. May I ask what they are for? Does each doctor know what the others have prescribed?

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@merpreb

@trishanna- Good morning. I would be very confused if given 3 different restrictive diets by 3 different doctors. May I ask what they are for? Does each doctor know what the others have prescribed?

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@merpreb Think they know but "forget." So, for example, doctor treating me for diabetes is only interested in my A1C, and has in fact told me she will leave my kidney care to my nephrologist. And both of them ignore my IBS, which is the problem giving me the most trouble. Not on the list, but of vast importance, is my husband's dining. I was told to go to my dietician, who would discuss my first three diets, but would not discuss how I might incorporate his dining needs without a doctor's order. I find that shopping (delivery), cooking and meal-planning is getting beyond me, but doctors don't talk to me, or more importantly, don't listen!!

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@trishanna

@becsbuddy Sounds promising. I am looking right now for a new pcp and was hoping to find one specializing in geriatric medicine. My pcp has turned me over to an assistant physician, who barely knows what to say to me. She's also a by-the-book kind of person, allowing for no slight differences in folks. Alas, although we are a Midwestern medical center, no one has such a speciality, so I will be asking all my doctors if there is someone who seems a bit more involved with seniors. Since we are a center, and all my information is in that laptop doctors carry everywhere, I don't understand the lack of sharing of said information. In some cases, I suspect it's monetary concerns. Knowing my recovery from emergency surgery at a hospital would prevent my getting two simple blood tests I was scheduled for across the street at the clinic, I requested the hospital contact the clinic, get an order, and do the tests, or whatever would be the procedure. The answer was silence. And two months later, as I guessed, I'm still unable to get my tests. Looking forward to learning here, as I did with Palliative Care, so I thank you in advance.

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@trishanna Gee whiz, I just don’t understand why the medical field gets so complicated! You would think/hope the doctors would be able to refer you to a doctor you need. The doctor you want is called a geriatrician or geriatric specialist. You might try 1. the hospitals web site under looking for a doctor, 2. the local medical society, 3. local nursing homes or independent living (they must have a doctor on staff).
Will you let me know what you’re able to find out?

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