Should I consider ablation?

Posted by jimana @jimana, May 10, 2016

jimana
79-year old male Caucasian
Excellent health and regular exercise with history of hypothyroidism. No history of cardiovascular problems. Vegetarian for 16 years, with excellent diet high in fruits and vegetables. No history of hypertension or cardiovascular issues until Feb 21, 16. Life-long boundless energy, almost never tired even after intense physical activity. Post-prandial glucose levels usually at mid- to upper 90s. Former runner with asymptomatic Bradycardia for 45 years. Resting heart rate has been from upper 20s to lower 40s, but immediately responsive on demand.

Feb 21, 16 - Sudden onset of A-fib after a meal. Ambulance to ER, Cardizem brought it under control.
Mar 3, 16 – Echo-cardiogram and treadmill, went into A-fib at end of treadmill but controlled with Valsalva.
- Echo normal (64% EF) and treadmill normal. Heart structurally and functionally normal.
Mar 25, 16 – A-fib. Controlled with Valsalva. Blood, EKG, X-rays normal.
April 25, 16 – A-fib for 10 minutes but controlled with Valsalva.
April 27, 16 – A-fib immediately following a meal while driving. Paramedics called. Pulse in 220 range. Administered Adenosine twice to stop heart. Paddles used three times before sinus rhythm and transport to ER. Blood, EDK and X-rays normal.
April 28, 16 – Next day cardiologist recommended pacemaker and antiarrhythmic.
April 29, 16 – Pacemaker implant and began 50MG Flecainide b.i.d.
May 3, 16 – ER with irregular pulse and BP 228/95. Clonidine and Ativan administered in ER.
May 4, 16 – Flecainide increased to 100MG b.i.d., and metoprolol 25MG b.i.d. begun.

NOW – Feel fine upon arising but within one hour after taking Flecainide and Metoprolol feel weak, dizzy, shortness of breath for two hours. Anxiety high during episodes. Otherwise can walk several miles on treadmill with no problem and BP goes down significantly with exercise. Can’t stand these chemicals and side effects. Looking for alternatives. Should I consider ablation?

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@nadine66

Thanks for your reply and your honesty about your experience with A-fib. I have no idea whether my doctor has considered going in on the left or the right of my heart but it is something I will bring up and ask about and the only way we learn about what's going on is to ask questions. My other conditions have done nothing but complicate the matter. Getting all the doctors together to agree on a plan of action seems to take quite a bit of time. The only problem with that is that it makes me very nervous as time goes by and I don't know what anybody is going to do about anything it's a little scary. But I do thank you for your information I will bring it up to my cardiologists and see what he says in fact that I see him tomorrow so thank you again have a good night..

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I cured the AFib with the Bemer Vasculer Therapy tx in one month of<br>use...only way to go, no meds, your own body heals itself if you get the<br>Circulation going...this only works on the circulation, nothing else....<br>

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Only yesterday heard about the Bemer. I looked at the website and they do not give any real information on the science behind the device. Could you share a link to information? What is the cost? Smacks of a multi-level marketing enterprise. I would like more information.

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Go to BEMERAMERICA.COM and scroll down and it tells how it works...it does not cure anything only gets your blood circulating and your own body heals itself as it is suppose to do if given the right nutrients (Oxygen)
Our bodies were meant to regenerate...I was sold on it after my friend suggested I use it on my Gout in my big toe. 2 sessions with the Spot 3 yrs ago and have not had a sign of it since. I have brought myTriglycerides down from 217 to 178 and have never taken any medication for it. After one month on the heart monitor to see how bad my afib was and doing Bemer 2 x day, showed NO signs of Afib...not on any heart meds...Even I was so skeptical since I have worked years in the Medical Profession...but after seeing what years of meds has done to my husband, I will go any route rather than support the Pharmeutical companies....

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Sounds impressive and I certainly agree with you regarding BIG Pharma. Thanks for the info.

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Go to BEMERAMERICA.COM and scroll down and it tells how it works...it does not cure anything only gets your blood circulating and your own body heals itself as it is suppose to do if given the right nutrients (Oxygen)
Our bodies were meant to regenerate...I was sold on it after my friend suggested I use it on my Gout in my big toe. 2 sessions with the Spot 3 yrs ago and have not had a sign of it since. I have brought myTriglycerides down from 217 to 178 and have never taken any medication for it. After one month on the heart monitor to see how bad my afib was and doing Bemer 2 x day, showed NO signs of Afib...not on any heart meds...Even I was so skeptical since I have worked years in the Medical Profession...but after seeing what years of meds has done to my husband, I will go any route rather than support the Pharmeutical companies....

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@george2016, I too found no significant information at describing the science behind the Bemer devices. Presumably, the devices issue some sort of energy -- sound, light, pressure, electrical, magnetic, radiological, or something -- but there were not hints from Bemer on this.

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@jimana

Only yesterday heard about the Bemer. I looked at the website and they do not give any real information on the science behind the device. Could you share a link to information? What is the cost? Smacks of a multi-level marketing enterprise. I would like more information.

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Commenting about this Bemer resolution to this problem I don't mean to sound like a dummy but from what I understand one of the problems after afib it is that if they're afraid of blood clots which are formed in the circulation of the blood if that's the case then how is circulation going to cure it as a problem blood clots would still form and I just I wouldn't feel comfortable just relying on circulation I don't understand that at all. I think I'm going to talk to more of my doctors and get a consensus. I know what they think about it though evidently they most assuredly have more education on the subject than I do but I do thank you for your comments and I will think about it I mean that's the whole idea is to think about these things thanks again.

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@jimana

Only yesterday heard about the Bemer. I looked at the website and they do not give any real information on the science behind the device. Could you share a link to information? What is the cost? Smacks of a multi-level marketing enterprise. I would like more information.

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Hoping to answer your concerns:<br><br> <br><br>Not multi-level marketing - if/when the company asks you to be in management<br>it is much like working for an insurance company - then you get overrides - <br><br>BEMER USA is Direct distributing - commission sales - most people are<br>independent distributors.<br><br>Some (like me) have taken extra training/testing from the medical doctors<br>acquainted with the mechanics of the BEMER Signal - thus becoming Medical<br>Representatives.<br><br> <br><br>FDA registered as a Class I Medical Device - in the process of becoming<br>Class II - thus the vague/general information on the website. Our hands are<br>tied to give specifics.<br><br> <br><br>Tons of science - double blind studies - invented in 1998 in Germany - now<br>in its 3rd generation. The PROOF is in the PUDDING - profound results. <br><br> <br><br>My body stopped absorbing minerals - resulting in massive all-body cramping<br>to the point of passing out. This was two years ago - I was completely bed<br>ridden due to constant pain - cramping - fatigue. $1000's in medical tests,<br>etc. - left me with a prescription for muscle relaxants and told to come<br>back in 6 weeks. That day I was dragging my right side behind me. <br><br> <br><br>Today - with the help of excellent supplements/minerals and BEMER - I am<br>living, thriving and healthy!

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@george2016

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Go to BEMERAMERICA.COM and scroll down and it tells how it works...it does not cure anything only gets your blood circulating and your own body heals itself as it is suppose to do if given the right nutrients (Oxygen)
Our bodies were meant to regenerate...I was sold on it after my friend suggested I use it on my Gout in my big toe. 2 sessions with the Spot 3 yrs ago and have not had a sign of it since. I have brought myTriglycerides down from 217 to 178 and have never taken any medication for it. After one month on the heart monitor to see how bad my afib was and doing Bemer 2 x day, showed NO signs of Afib...not on any heart meds...Even I was so skeptical since I have worked years in the Medical Profession...but after seeing what years of meds has done to my husband, I will go any route rather than support the Pharmeutical companies....

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Morna has had two chances to give us a clear statement -- but has failed or refused to provide it -- on what kind of energy is generated by the Bemer device(s). That it "mimics the earth's electromagnetic field" is not to say that its signal is electromagnetic. Besides, does the earth really have an electromagnetic field? Who says so? And this idea that the signal is "woven into" the fabric of our astronauts underwear is ludicrous. Since neither Bemer (on its web site) or their "knowledgeable" reps will describe the energy they employ in their devices, I regard it as a scam -- much like the magnetic devices sold by bored housewives 20 years ago.

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